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Interpretation
In order to play cooperatively, we need to mark playable cards to get them to play at the correct time. To maximise cooperation, we need to be able to predict the possible moves of other players. The cost of being able to predict moves is to limit the number of moves
- If a card is playable, logically we assume it will be marked by a clue before it is discarded (unless there is another copy visible).
| Situation | Response | Receiver's Interpretation | Clue type | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Alice clues 2 to Cathy:
blue5black powderblue1,with a 1clue,black powder Bob 🡲 card back2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Cathy 🡲 |
Bob plays blue1,with a 1clue, | connects to card back2,with a 2clue, | 🟰 | blue2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Cathy 🡲 | Prompt:
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| Alice clues 2 to Cathy:
blue1blue5black powderblack powder Bob 🡲 card back2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Cathy 🡲 |
Bob plays blue1 | connects to card back2,with a 2clue, | 🟰 | blue2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Cathy 🡲 | Finesse:
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| Alice clues 2 to Bob:
card back2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Bob 🡲 blue1blue5black powderblack powder Cathy 🡲 |
Bob discards | must wait for | ➕blue1 Cathy🟰 | blue2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Bob 🡲 | Reversed Finesse:
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| Cathy plays blue1 | connects to card back2,with a 2clue, | 🟰 | card backblue2,with a 2clue,card backcard back Bob 🡲 | ||
| Alice clues 3 to Cathy:
blue1blue5black powderblack powder Bob 🡲 card back3,with a 3clue,card backcard backcard back Cathy 🡲 blue2black powderblack powderblack powder Donald 🡲 |
Bob plays blue1 | connects to card back3,with a 3clue, | ➕blue2 Donald🟰 | blue3,with a 3clue,card backcard backcard back Cathy 🡲 | Long Finesse:
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| Donald plays blue2 | connects to card back3,with a 3clue, | 🟰 | card backblue3,with a 3clue,card backcard back Cathy 🡲 | ||
| Alice clues b to Bob:
card back2,with a clue,card backcard backcard back Bob 🡲 yellow1blue1blue5black powder Cathy 🡲 |
Bob discards | 🡆 finesse | ➕yellow1blue1 Cathy🟰 | card backblue2,with a blue clue,card backcard back Bob 🡲 | Layered Finesse:
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| Cathy plays yellow1 | looking for blue1 | ➕blue1 Cathy🟰 | card backblue2,with a blue clue,card backcard back Bob 🡲 | ||
| Cathy plays blue1 | connects to card back2,with a clue, | 🟰 | card backcard backblue2,with a blue clue,card back Bob 🡲 | ||
| Alice clues 2 to Cathy:
yellow1blue1blue5black powder Bob 🡲 card back2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Cathy 🡲 |
Bob plays yellow1 | connects to card back2,with a 2clue, | ➕blue1 Bob🟰 | blue2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Cathy 🡲 | Clandestine Layered Finesse:
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| Cathy discards | must wait for | ➕blue1 Bob🟰 | card backblue2,with a 2clue,card backcard back Cathy 🡲 | ||
| Bob plays blue1 | connects to blue2,with a 2clue, | 🟰 | card backblue2,with a 2clue,card backcard back Cathy 🡲 | ||
| Alice clues b to Cathy:
red1blue5black powderblack powder Bob 🡲 card back2,with a clue,card backcard backcard back Cathy 🡲 |
Bob plays red1 | as blue1 | 🟰 | blue2,with a blue clue,card backcard backcard back Cathy 🡲 | Bluff:
⚠ All bluff targets must be one card away from playable |
| Alice clues 2 to Cathy:
red2yellow2green2blue1white2 Discarded: blue2 blue2black powderblack powderblack powder Bob 🡲 card back2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Cathy 🡲 |
Bob plays blue2 | as card back2,with a 2clue, | Trash Finesse:
| ||
| Alice clues 2 to Bob:
red2yellow2green2blue1white2 Discarded: blue2 card back2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Bob 🡲 yellow3blue2black powderblack powder Cathy 🡲 |
Bob discards card back2,with a 2clue, | 🡆 finesse | ➕yellow3blue2 Cathy | Layered Trash Finesse:
| |
| Cathy plays yellow3 | looking for blue2 | ➕blue2 Cathy | |||
| Cathy plays blue2 | as card back2,with a 2clue, | ||||
| Alice clues 1 to Cathy:
red1yellowgreenbluewhite red2black powderblack powderblack powder Bob 🡲 card back1,with a 1clue,card backcard backcard back Cathy 🡲 |
Bob plays red2 | 🟰 | red1,with a 1clue,card backcard backcard back Cathy 🡲 | Trash Bluff:
⚠ Black powder: all bluff targets must be revealed to be trash and not lead to a promise bluff misinterpretation. | |
| Alice clues 3 to Donald:
blue5black powderblue1,with a 1clue,black powder Bob 🡲 blue2black powderblack powderblack powder Cathy 🡲 card back3,with a 3clue,card backcard backcard back Donald 🡲 |
Bob plays blue1,with a 1clue, | connects to card back3,with a 3clue, | ➕blue2 Cathy🟰 | blue3,with a 3clue,card backcard backcard back Donald 🡲 | Prompt + Finesse:
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| Cathy plays blue2. | connects to blue3,with a 3clue, | 🟰 | blue3,with a 3clue,card backcard backcard back Donald 🡲 | ||
| Alice clues 3 to Donald:
blue5black powderblue1,with a 1clue,black powder Bob 🡲 red1black powderblack powderblack powder Cathy 🡲 card back3,with a 3clue,card backcard backcard back Donald 🡲 |
Bob plays blue1,with a 1clue, | connects to card back3,with a 3clue, | 🟰 | blue3,with a 3clue,blue2card backcard back Donald 🡲 | Prompt + Bluff:
⚠ This clue type is dangerous because Bob may not cooperate and try to bluff red1 himself before responding to blue3,with a 3clue,. |
| Cathy plays red1 | as blue2 | ➖ blue2 🟰 | blue3,with a 3clue,card backcard backcard back Donald 🡲 | ||
| Alice clues 3 to Donald:
blue1blue5black powderblack powder Bob 🡲 red1black powderblack powderblack powder Cathy 🡲 card back3,with a 3clue,card backcard backcard back Donald 🡲 |
Bob plays blue1 | connects to card back3,with a 3clue, | 🟰 | blue3,with a 3clue,blue2card backcard back Donald 🡲 | Finesse + Bluff:
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| Cathy plays red1 | as blue2 | ➖ blue2 🟰 | blue3,with a 3clue,card backcard backcard back Donald 🡲 | ||
| Alice clues b to Donald:
red1blue5black powderblack powder Bob 🡲 blue2black powderblack powderblack powder Cathy 🡲 card back3,with a clue,card backcard backcard back Donald 🡲 |
Bob plays red1 | as blue1 | ➕blue2 Cathy🟰 | blue3,with a blue clue,card backcard backcard back Donald 🡲 | Promise Bluff:
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| 🟰 | blue2,with a blue clue,card backcard backcard back Donald 🡲 | Bluff:
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| Alice clues 4 to Emily:
blue1blue5black powderblack powder Bob 🡲 blue2black powderblack powderblack powder Cathy 🡲 red1black powderblack powderblack powder Donald 🡲 card back4,with a 4clue,card backcard backcard back Emily 🡲 |
Bob plays blue1 | connects to card back4,with a 4clue, | ➕blue2 Cathy🟰 | blue4,with a 4clue,blue3card backcard back Emily 🡲 | Double Finesse + Bluff:
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| Cathy plays blue2 | connects to blue4,with a 4clue, | 🟰 | blue4,with a 4clue,blue3card backcard back Emily 🡲 | ||
| Donald plays red1 | as blue3 | ➖ blue3 🟰 | blue4,with a 4clue,card backcard backcard back Emily 🡲 | ||
| Alice clues 4 to Donald:
blue1blue5black powderblack powder Bob 🡲 red1black powderblack powderblack powder Cathy 🡲 card back4,with a 4clue,card backcard backcard back Donald 🡲 |
Bob plays blue1 | connects to card back4,with a 4clue, | 🟰 | blue4,with a 4clue,blue2blue3card back Donald 🡲 | Finesse + Promise Bluff:
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| Cathy plays red1 | as blue2 | ➖ blue2 🟰 | blue4,with a 4clue,blue3card backcard back Donald 🡲 | ||
| Alice clues 2 to Donald:
blue1blue5black powderblack powder Bob 🡲 red1black powderblack powderblack powder Cathy 🡲 card back2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Donald 🡲 |
Bob plays blue1 | connects to card back2,with a 2clue, | 🟰 | blue2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Donald 🡲 | Double Bluff:
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| Cathy plays red1 | as blue2 | ➖ blue2 🟰 | card2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Donald 🡲 | ||
| Alice clues 3 to Emily:
blue1blue5black powderblack powder Bob 🡲 blue2black powderblack powderblack powder Cathy 🡲 red1black powderblack powderblack powder Donald 🡲 card back3,with a 3clue,card backcard backcard back Emily 🡲 |
Bob plays blue1 | connects to card back3,with a 3clue, | ➕blue2 Cathy🟰 | blue3,with a 3clue,card backcard backcard back Emily 🡲 | Triple Bluff:
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| Cathy plays blue2 | as blue2 | 🟰 | blue3,with a 3clue,card backcard backcard back Emily 🡲 | ||
| Donald plays red1 | as blue3 | ➖ blue3 🟰 | card3,with a 3clue,card backcard backcard back Emily 🡲 | ||
| Alice clues 2 to Donald:
blue1blue5black powderblack powder Bob 🡲 red1black powder4black powder3black powder Cathy 🡲 card back2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Donald 🡲 |
Bob plays blue1 | connects to card back2,with a 2clue, | 🟰 | blue2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Donald 🡲 | Double Promise Bluff:
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| Cathy plays red1 | as blue2 | ➕black powder4black powder3 Cathy 🟰 | black powder2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Donald 🡲 | ||
| ➖ blue2 🟰 | card2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Donald 🡲 | Double Bluff:
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| Alice clues 2 to Emily:
black powderblack powderblack powderblack powder Bob 🡲 multicolour1black powderblack powderblack powder Cathy 🡲 multicolour2blue1blue5black powder Donald 🡲 card back2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Emily 🡲 |
Bob discards | 🡆 finesse | ➕multicolour1 Cathy 🟰 | multicolour2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Emily 🡲 | Patch Finesse:
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| Cathy plays multicolour1 | connects to card back2,with a 2clue, | 🟰 | multicolour2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Emily 🡲 | ||
| Donald plays multicolour2 | disconnects card back2,with a 2clue, | ➕blue1 Donald 🟰 | blue2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Emily 🡲 | ||
| Donald plays blue1 | connects to card back2,with a 2clue, | 🟰 | blue2,with a 2clue,card backcard backcard back Emily 🡲 | ||
Quiz: valid or invalid?
- number clue (otherwise it would be read as finesse + bluff) and
- black powder (otherwise it would be read as double bluff).
- There are other more complex contextual exceptions to this e.g. Bob must scream or generate a token for another player, but let's not discuss that here .
- Example: Reverse bluff when Bob is busy
- Example: Known bluff
Extraction
It is possible to extract a card that is 'blocked' by an unplayable card using two clues.
- Clue the target with colour.
- Clue the target with number.
white5yellow4red3green5 Bob 🡲 white4green4multicolour2yellow2 Cathy 🡲
- Avalanche of colors option is on, so multicolour cards are marked by any colour clue.
- Cathy's yellow2 should play before it is discarded.
- The focus of a 2 clue on its own will be multicolour2 and the focus of a yellow clue will also be multicolour2.
- Alice to Cathy: these 2 cards are yellow.
redyellow1greenbluewhitemulticolor white5yellow4red3green5 Bob 🡲 white4green4multicolour2,with a 1 clue,yellow2,with a yellow clue, Cathy 🡲
- Bob to Cathy: these 2 cards are 2s - this fix clue changes the focus from the left 2 to the other 2.
redyellow1greenbluewhitemulticolor white5yellow4red3green5 Bob 🡲 white4green4multicolour2,with a 1 2clue,yellow2,with a yellow 2clue, Cathy 🡲
- Note: if a multicolour card is the intended target of a play clue, the clearest clue would be a colour that does not splash any other card.
- extract white2:
- Alice to Cathy: these 2 cards are white.
- Focus is left.
- card back2card back3,with a clue,card backcard back2,with a clue, Cathy 🡲 red2white3,with a white clue,black powderwhite2,with a white clue, Cathy 🡲
- Bob to Cathy: these 2 cards are 2s.
- Changes focus from left to right.
- card back2,with a 2clue,card back3,with a clue,card backcard back2,with a 2clue, Cathy 🡲 red2,with a 2clue,white3,with a white clue,black powderwhite2,with a white 2clue, Cathy 🡲
- extract white2 with avalanche:
- Alice to Cathy: these 3 cards are white.
- Focus is left.
- card back2,with a clue,card back3,with a clue,card backcard back2,with a clue, Cathy 🡲 multicolour2,with a white clue,white3,with a white clue,black powderwhite2,with a white clue, Cathy 🡲
- Bob to Cathy: these 2 cards are 2s.
- Changes focus from left to right.
- card back2,with a 2clue,card back3,with a clue,card backcard back2,with a 2clue, Cathy 🡲 multicolour2,with a white 2clue,white3,with a white clue,black powderwhite2,with a white 2clue, Cathy 🡲
Since black powder can't be clued with colour, extraction is a little different:
- Clue the target with number.
- Clue the card to the left of the target with colour.
- extract black powder2:
- Alice to Cathy: these 3 cards are 2s.
- Focus is left.
- card back2,with a 2clue,card back2,with a 2clue,card back2,with a 2clue,card back Cathy 🡲 yellow2,with a 2clue,red2,with a 2clue,black powder2,with a 2clue,black powder Cathy 🡲
- Bob to Cathy: this card is red.
- Changes focus from left to right.
- card back2,with a 2clue,card back2,with a 2clue,card back2,with a 2clue,card back Cathy 🡲 yellow2,with a 2clue,red2,with a red 2clue,black powder2,with a 2clue,black powder Cathy 🡲
Why extraction works
- Alice gives a white colour clue to indicate to Bob that she is giving a play clue to Cathy.
- Bob has one job: don't let Cathy bomb. He sees that one of Cathy's marked white cards is playable, so he understands that he just has to help Cathy play the correct card:
- If the leftmost white card is playable, Bob does not need to do anything.
- If the leftmost white card is not playable, Bob needs to help with a follow-up fix clue.
Why colour before number?
- In each colour, only one card can be playable (two with avalanche), whereas there can be many playable cards of a certain number. So Alice singles out one colour to help Bob know her intention is for him to help Cathy play the correct card.
- A colour clue can mark a chop card without looking like a save.
How do I know it's not a finesse?
- The leftmost card may be 1-away-from-playable.
But if Bob can see that one of the cards Alice marked with colour is playable, he will prefer to give a fix clue and not blind play his finesse position.
- As Bob, consider the choice of clue:
- if Alice wanted to finesse 2b with a playable 1m in front, why skip players to give specifically a blue clue (why not another colour or number)?
- if Alice wanted to finesse 4k with a playable 4r in front, why skip players to give specficially a 4 clue (why not red)?
The everlasting exception: context
Context > convention and can cause an unconventional move!
Think carefully about:
- timing (why now?),
- negative clues (e.g. "not red"),
- recently discarded cards,
- unique cards,
- tokens needed for saves or other plays
Examples
blue2,with a blue clue,multicolour1,with a multicolour clue,black powderblack powderCathy 🡲 multicolour1,with a multicolour clue,blue2,with a blue clue,black powderblack powderCathy 🡲
Played: yellow2 card backcard backcard back5,with a clue,card back5,with a clue,Bob 🡲 yellow4black powder4black powderblack powderCathy 🡲
card backcard backcard back5,with a clue,card back5,with a clue,Bob 🡲 yellow4,with a 4clue,black powder4,with a 4clue,black powderblack powderCathy 🡲
- Alice clues 4s to Cathy. How should Bob respond?
- Bob has negative 3.
- Bob had yellow2,with a yellow clue, which was marked with number 2 instead of a number 3 fix, and either:
- Bob did not discard what would have been a trash 3
- yellow4 was discarded when it could have easily been marked to prompt yellow3
In this game the context was 2.1: On move 23 a fix clue was given with number 2 instead of 3, Bob can know that their card back5,with a clue, is not yellow3 (else the fix should be 3¹, not 2). This is why it is important for each player to pay attention to how their own cards are fixed (and what cards they discard afterwards).
¹Note that there are no trash 3s at this point. If there were at least one trash 3 (e.g. white3 were played or already marked somewhere), Bob should only make this conclusion after discarding his unmarked card, to check that a 3 fix was not given due to bad touch.