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Interpretation

Prompt + Layered finesse

2026-01-01 Forum post

• Alice to Cathy: these 2 cards are yellow.

redr,with a redclue, yellowy,with a yellowclue, greeng,with a greenclue, blueb,with a blueclue, whitew,with a whiteclue, white1w,with a white1clue,yellow2y,with a yellow2clue,red4r,with a red4clue,yellow1y,with a yellow1clue, Bob 🡲 green4g,with a green4clue,blue4b,with a blue4clue,yellow3y,with a yellow3clue,yellow5y,with a yellow5clue, Cathy 🡲

• Bob plays yellow1y,with a yellow1clue,.
• Cathy sees yellow2y,with a yellow2clue, is layered behind a playable white1w,with a white1clue,, so she could hold yellow3y,with a yellow3clue,.
• Cathy discards to see if Bob tries to play yellow2y,with a yellow2clue, next turn.

redr,with a redclue, yellow1y,with a yellow1clue, greeng,with a greenclue, blueb,with a blueclue, whitew,with a whiteclue, white2w,with a white2clue,white1w,with a white1clue,yellow2y,with a yellow2clue,red4r,with a red4clue, Bob 🡲 white3w,with a white3clue,green4g,with a green4clue,yellow3y,with a yellow3clue,yellow5y,with a yellow5clue, Cathy 🡲

Alice clues white

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• Alice to Cathy: this card is white.

redr,with a redclue, yellow1y,with a yellow1clue, greeng,with a greenclue, blueb,with a blueclue, whitew,with a whiteclue, white2w,with a white2clue,white1w,with a white1clue,yellow2y,with a yellow2clue,red4r,with a red4clue, Bob 🡲 white3w,with a white3clue,green4g,with a green4clue,yellow3y,with a yellow3clue,yellow5y,with a yellow5clue, Cathy 🡲

• Bob acknowledges the white clue and continues to look for yellow2y,with a yellow2clue, because white1w,with a white1clue, can be inside the yellow2y,with a yellow2clue, layered finesse.
• Cathy sees a playable white2w,with a white2clue, in Bob's hand, so she could hold white3w,with a white3clue,.

• Bob blind plays his 2nd slot for yellow2y,with a yellow2clue, and white1w,with a white1clue, successfully plays.
• Cathy and Alice discard.
• Bob blind plays his 3rd slot yellow2y,with a yellow2clue,.
• Cathy plays yellow3y,with a yellow3clue,.

After the first layered finesse is resolved

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redr,with a redclue, yellow3y,with a yellow3clue, greeng,with a greenclue, blueb,with a blueclue, white1w,with a white1clue, green1g,with a green1clue,blue4b,with a blue4clue,white2w,with a white2clue,red4r,with a red4clue, Bob 🡲 red2r,with a red2clue,white3w,with a white3clue,green4g,with a green4clue,yellow5y,with a yellow5clue, Cathy 🡲

Can Alice bluff here?

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redr,with a redclue, yellow3y,with a yellow3clue, greeng,with a greenclue, blueb,with a blueclue, white1w,with a white1clue, green1g,with a green1clue,blue4b,with a blue4clue,white2w,with a white2clue,red4r,with a red4clue, Bob 🡲 red2r,with a red2clue,white3w,with a white3clue,green4g,with a green4clue,yellow5y,with a yellow5clue, Cathy 🡲

• Since Bob knows the white clue is a layered finesse, he must keep looking for white2w,with a white2clue, before he can start looking for red1r,with a red1clue, because red1r,with a red1clue, can be inside the white2w,with a white2clue, layered finesse:

black powder,with a black powderclue,black powder,with a black powderclue,red1r,with a red1clue,white2w,with a white2clue, Bob 🡲

• So Alice cannot bluff a player who is already in the middle of responding to a finesse if it can be layered.

red1r,with a red1clue,black powder,with a black powderclue,white2w,with a white2clue,black powder,with a black powderclue, Bob 🡲

• Bob knows the white clue cannot be a bluff because Cathy would not discard unless she sees a playable white2w,with a white2clue, in Bob's hand.
• So Bob knows he is promised white2w,with a white2clue, and keeps playing each slot from his now 3rd slot left to right until his white2w,with a white2clue, is played.

Finesse + Promise Bluff

2024-08-02

Example with gap between clue giver and first response:

black powder,with a black powderclue,yellow4y,with a yellow4clue,black powder,with a black powderclue,black powder,with a black powderclue, Bob 🡲

yellow1y,with a yellow1clue,black powder,with a black powderclue,black powder,with a black powderclue,black powder,with a black powderclue, Cathy 🡲

black powder3,with a black powder3clue,yellow5y,with a yellow5clue,black powder,with a black powderclue,black powder,with a black powderclue, Donald 🡲

yellow3y,with a yellow3clue,black powder,with a black powderclue,black powder,with a black powderclue,black powder,with a black powderclue, Emily 🡲

• Alice clues yellow4y,with a yellow4clue,
• Bob does something unrelated
• Cathy plays yellow1y,with a yellow1clue,
• Donald plays black powder3,with a black powder3clue, as yellow2y,with a yellow2clue,
• Emily now has yellow3y,with a yellow3clue, marked in their slot 1

Why isn't it layered? 🡆 Wrong question

Should be thinking: can it be a bluff? / do I need to keep playing?

Alice's view

Donald's view

Trash Bluff

2025-07-05

red5r,with a red5clue,white2w,with a white2clue,red2r,with a red2clue,yellow4y,with a yellow4clue, Alice 🡲

yellow2y,with a yellow2clue,green1g,with a green1clue,blue2b,with a blue2clue,multicolour4m,with a multicolour4clue, Bob 🡲

multicolour1m,with a multicolour1clue,red4r,with a red4clue,blue4b,with a blue4clue,black powder2,with a black powder2clue, Cathy 🡲

yellow1y,with a yellow1clue,multicolour5m,with a multicolour5clue,white5w,with a white5clue,yellow3y,with a yellow3clue, Donald 🡲

red2r,with a red2clue, yellow1y,with a yellow1clue, green1g,with a green1clue, blue2b,with a blue2clue, white2w,with a white2clue, multicolour2m,with a multicolour2clue, black powder3,with a black powder3clue,

white2w,with a white2clue, red2r,with a red2clue, Alice are known trash

yellow3y,with a yellow3clue, Donald is known not trash

Alice's view

Donald's view

Discarded

red4r,with a red4clue, yellow3y,with a yellow3clue, green4g,with a green4clue, blue3b,with a blue3clue, blue1b,with a blue1clue, white1w,with a white1clue,
black powder4,with a black powder4clue, black powder2,with a black powder2clue,

Endgame

cards in the deck3,with a cards in the deck3clue, red3r,with a red3clue, yellow4y,with a yellow4clue, green5g,with a green5clue, blue5b,with a blue5clue, white1w,with a white1clue, 3clue tokens

card back,with a clue,card back,with a clue,card back4,with a 4clue,card back5,with a 5clue, Alice 🡲 white2w,with a white2clue,black powder,with a black powderclue,black powder,with a black powderclue,black powder,with a black powderclue, Bob 🡲 black powder,with a black powderclue,black powder,with a black powderclue,red4r,with a red4clue,white5w,with a white5clue, Cathy 🡲 white3w,with a white3clue,black powder,with a black powderclue,black powder,with a black powderclue,yellow5y,with a yellow5clue, Donald 🡲 white4w,with a white4clue,black powder,with a black powderclue,black powder,with a black powderclue,white3w,with a white3clue, Emily 🡲

What is the critical colour?

Grouped by colour:

black powderA,with a black powderclue,black powderB,with a black powderclue,black powderC,with a black powderclue,yellow5yD,with a yellow5clue,black powderE,with a black powderclue, ​

black powderA,with a black powderclue,black powderB,with a black powderclue,red4rC,with a red4clue,black powderD,with a black powderclue,black powderE,with a black powderclue, ​ red5rA,with a red5clue, ​

whitewA,with a whiteclue,white2wB,with a white2clue,black powderC,with a black powderclue,black powderD,with a black powderclue,white3wE,with a white3clue, ​ white4wA,with a white4clue,black powderB,with a black powderclue,white5wC,with a white5clue, ​

white (1 clue + 4 plays + 3 empty = 8 turns)

What is the critical card?

white2w,with a white2clue,

What is the critical move?

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A) Alice clues Bob white2w,with a white2clue, / white2w,with a white2clue,

hint: don't choose A

B) Alice clues Donald white3w,with a white3clue, / white3w,with a white3clue,

C) Alice clues Emily white4w,with a white4clue, / white4w,with a white4clue,

D) Alice discards white4w,with a white4clue,

E) Alice (mis)plays white4w,with a white4clue,

F) Alice discards slot 1

G) Alice (mis)plays slot 1

What is the maximum score?

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1. Group by colour:

black powderA,with a black powderclue,black powderB,with a black powderclue,black powderC,with a black powderclue,yellow5yD,with a yellow5clue,black powderE,with a black powderclue, ​

black powderA,with a black powderclue,black powderB,with a black powderclue,red4rC,with a red4clue,black powderD,with a black powderclue,black powderE,with a black powderclue, ​ red5rA,with a red5clue, ​

whitewA,with a whiteclue,white2wB,with a white2clue,black powderC,with a black powderclue,black powderD,with a black powderclue,white3wE,with a white3clue, ​ white4wA,with a white4clue,black powderB,with a black powderclue,white5wC,with a white5clue, ​

2. Serialise:

whitewA,with a whiteclue,white2wB,with a white2clue,red4rC,with a red4clue,yellow5yD,with a yellow5clue,white3wE,with a white3clue, ​ white4wA,with a white4clue,black powderB,with a black powderclue,white5wC,with a white5clue,black powderD,with a black powderclue,black powderE,with a black powderclue, ​ red5rA,with a red5clue, ​

cards in the deck3,with a cards in the deck3clue,cards in the deck2,with a cards in the deck2clue,cards in the deck1,with a cards in the deck1clue,cards in the deck0,with a cards in the deck0clue,cards in the deck,with a cards in the deckclue, ​ cards in the deck,with a cards in the deckclue,cards in the deck,with a cards in the deckclue,cards in the deck,with a cards in the deckclue,cards in the deck,with a cards in the deckclue, ​

• There are not enough turns for Alice to clue white2w,with a white2clue, and play both white4w,with a white4clue, and red5r,with a red5clue,.
• Can Alice shorten the critical path?

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1. Group by colour:

black powderA,with a black powderclue,black powderB,with a black powderclue,black powderC,with a black powderclue,yellow5yD,with a yellow5clue,black powderE,with a black powderclue, ​

black powderA,with a black powderclue,black powderB,with a black powderclue,red4rC,with a red4clue,black powderD,with a black powderclue,black powderE,with a black powderclue, ​ red5rA,with a red5clue, ​

whitewA,with a whiteclue,white2wB,with a white2clue,black powderC,with a black powderclue,white3wD,with a white3clue,white4wE,with a white4clue, ​ black powderA,with a black powderclue,black powderB,with a black powderclue,white5wC,with a white5clue, ​

2. Serialise:

whitewA,with a whiteclue,white2wB,with a white2clue,red4rC,with a red4clue,white3wD,with a white3clue,white4wE,with a white4clue, ​ red5rA,with a red5clue,black powderB,with a black powderclue,white5wC,with a white5clue,yellow5yD,with a yellow5clue, ​

cards in the deck3,with a cards in the deck3clue,cards in the deck2,with a cards in the deck2clue,cards in the deck1,with a cards in the deck1clue,cards in the deck0,with a cards in the deck0clue,cards in the deck,with a cards in the deckclue, ​ cards in the deck,with a cards in the deckclue,cards in the deck,with a cards in the deckclue,cards in the deck,with a cards in the deckclue,cards in the deck,with a cards in the deckclue, ​

• Alice clues the unmarked white4w,with a white4clue, in Emily's hand (finesse) so that Alice has one card fewer to play and shortens the critical path.

Solution

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A) Alice clues Bob white2w,with a white2clue, / white2w,with a white2clue, ❌ does not get the unmarked white3w,with a white3clue, / white4w,with a white4clue,

B) Alice clues Donald white3w,with a white3clue, / white3w,with a white3clue, ❌ does not get the unmarked white4w,with a white4clue,

C) Alice clues Emily white4w,with a white4clue, / white4w,with a white4clue, ❌ does not get the unmarked white3w,with a white3clue,

D) Alice discards white4w,with a white4clue, ✅ finesses up to white4w,with a white4clue,

E) Alice (mis)plays white4w,with a white4clue, ❌ interpretation = positional misplay

F) Alice discards slot 1 ✅ Donald and Emily both see Alice could have clued instead white4w,with a white4clue,

G) Alice (mis)plays slot 1 ❌ interpretation = positional misplay

Other possible options include trash push if both of Emily's other cards are the same rank (not 4) or colour (not white) e.g red1r,with a red1clue,yellow1y,with a yellow1clue, then Alice could clue red1r,with a red1clue,yellow1y,with a yellow1clue, to Emily's hand white4w,with a white4clue,red1r,with a red1clue,yellow1y,with a yellow1clue,white3w,with a white3clue, Emily 🡲

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