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Revision as of 17:14, 10 February 2026

⚠ Work in progress

Extra examples from Sammy's Hanabi page

Interpretation

Prompt + Layered finesse

2026-01-01 Forum post

  • Alice to Cathy: these 2 cards are yellow.

red,with a red clue, yellow,with a yellow clue, green,with a green clue, blue,with a blue clue, white,with a white clue, white1,with a white 1clue,yellow2,with a yellow 2clue,red4,with a red 4clue,yellow1,with a yellow 1clue, Bob 🡲 green4,with a green 4clue,blue4,with a blue 4clue,yellow3,with a yellow 3clue,yellow5,with a yellow 5clue, Cathy 🡲

  • Bob plays yellow1,with a yellow 1clue,.
  • Cathy sees yellow2,with a yellow 2clue, is layered behind a playable white1,with a white 1clue,, so she could hold yellow3,with a yellow 3clue,.
  • Cathy discards to see if Bob tries to play yellow2,with a yellow 2clue, next turn.

red,with a red clue, yellow1,with a yellow 1clue, green,with a green clue, blue,with a blue clue, white,with a white clue, white2,with a white 2clue,white1,with a white 1clue,yellow2,with a yellow 2clue,red4,with a red 4clue, Bob 🡲 white3,with a white 3clue,green4,with a green 4clue,yellow3,with a yellow 3clue,yellow5,with a yellow 5clue, Cathy 🡲

Alice clues white
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  • Alice to Cathy: this card is white.

red,with a red clue, yellow1,with a yellow 1clue, green,with a green clue, blue,with a blue clue, white,with a white clue, white2,with a white 2clue,white1,with a white 1clue,yellow2,with a yellow 2clue,red4,with a red 4clue, Bob 🡲 white3,with a white 3clue,green4,with a green 4clue,yellow3,with a yellow 3clue,yellow5,with a yellow 5clue, Cathy 🡲

  • Bob acknowledges the white clue and continues to look for yellow2,with a yellow 2clue, because white1,with a white 1clue, can be inside the yellow2,with a yellow 2clue, layered finesse.
  • Cathy sees a playable white2,with a white 2clue, in Bob's hand, so she could hold white3,with a white 3clue,.
  • Bob blind plays his 2nd slot for yellow2,with a yellow 2clue, and white1,with a white 1clue, successfully plays.
  • Cathy and Alice discard.
  • Bob blind plays his 3rd slot yellow2,with a yellow 2clue,.
  • Cathy plays yellow3,with a yellow 3clue,.
After the first layered finesse is resolved
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red,with a red clue, yellow3,with a yellow 3clue, green,with a green clue, blue,with a blue clue, white1,with a white 1clue, green1,with a green 1clue,blue4,with a blue 4clue,white2,with a white 2clue,red4,with a red 4clue, Bob 🡲 red2,with a red 2clue,white3,with a white 3clue,green4,with a green 4clue,yellow5,with a yellow 5clue, Cathy 🡲

Can Alice bluff here?
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red,with a red clue, yellow3,with a yellow 3clue, green,with a green clue, blue,with a blue clue, white1,with a white 1clue, green1,with a green 1clue,blue4,with a blue 4clue,white2,with a white 2clue,red4,with a red 4clue, Bob 🡲 red2,with a red 2clue,white3,with a white 3clue,green4,with a green 4clue,yellow5,with a yellow 5clue, Cathy 🡲

  • Since Bob knows the white clue is a layered finesse, he must keep looking for white2,with a white 2clue, before he can start looking for red1,with a red 1clue, because red1,with a red 1clue, can be inside the white2,with a white 2clue, layered finesse:

black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,red1,with a red 1clue,white2,with a white 2clue, Bob 🡲

  • So Alice cannot bluff a player who is already in the middle of responding to a finesse if it can be layered.
red1,with a red 1clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,white2,with a white 2clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, Bob 🡲
  • Bob knows the white clue cannot be a bluff because Cathy would not discard unless she sees a playable white2,with a white 2clue, in Bob's hand.
  • So Bob knows he is promised white2,with a white 2clue, and keeps playing each slot from his now 3rd slot left to right until his white2,with a white 2clue, is played.

Finesse + Promise Bluff

2024-08-02

Example with gap between clue giver and first response:

black powder,with a black powder clue,yellow4,with a yellow 4clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, Bob 🡲

yellow1,with a yellow 1clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, Cathy 🡲

black powder3,with a black powder 3clue,yellow5,with a yellow 5clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, Donald 🡲

yellow3,with a yellow 3clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, Emily 🡲

  • Alice clues yellow4,with a yellow 4clue,
  • Bob does something unrelated
  • Cathy plays yellow1,with a yellow 1clue,
  • Donald plays black powder3,with a black powder 3clue, as yellow2,with a yellow 2clue,
  • Emily now has yellow3,with a yellow 3clue, marked in their slot 1

Why isn't it layered? 🡆 Wrong question

Should be thinking: can it be a bluff? / do I need to keep playing?

Alice's view

Donald's view

Trash Bluff

2025-07-05

red5,with a red 5clue,white2,with a white 2clue,red2,with a red 2clue,yellow4,with a yellow 4clue, Alice 🡲

yellow2,with a yellow 2clue,green1,with a green 1clue,blue2,with a blue 2clue,multicolour4,with a multicolour 4clue, Bob 🡲

multicolour1,with a multicolour 1clue,red4,with a red 4clue,blue4,with a blue 4clue,black powder2,with a black powder 2clue, Cathy 🡲

yellow1,with a yellow 1clue,multicolour5,with a multicolour 5clue,white5,with a white 5clue,yellow3,with a yellow 3clue, Donald 🡲

red2,with a red 2clue, yellow1,with a yellow 1clue, green1,with a green 1clue, blue2,with a blue 2clue, white2,with a white 2clue, multicolour2,with a multicolour 2clue, black powder3,with a black powder 3clue,

white2,with a white 2clue, red2,with a red 2clue, Alice are known trash

yellow3,with a yellow 3clue, Donald is known not trash

Alice's view

Donald's view

Discarded
red4,with a red 4clue, yellow3,with a yellow 3clue, green4,with a green 4clue, blue3,with a blue 3clue, blue1,with a blue 1clue, white1,with a white 1clue,
black powder4,with a black powder 4clue, black powder2,with a black powder 2clue,

Endgame

3cards in the deck red3,with a red 3clue, yellow4,with a yellow 4clue, green5,with a green 5clue, blue5,with a blue 5clue, white1,with a white 1clue, 3 clue tokens

card back,with a clue,card back,with a clue,card back4,with a 4clue,card back5,with a 5clue, Alice 🡲 white2,with a white 2clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, Bob 🡲 black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,red4,with a red 4clue,white5,with a white 5clue, Cathy 🡲 white3,with a white 3clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,yellow5,with a yellow 5clue, Donald 🡲 white4,with a white 4clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,white3,with a white 3clue, Emily 🡲

What is the critical colour?
Grouped by colour:
black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,yellow5,with a yellow 5clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, ​
black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,red4,with a red 4clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, ​ red5,with a red 5clue, ​
white,with a white clue,white2,with a white 2clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,white3,with a white 3clue, ​ white4,with a white 4clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,white5,with a white 5clue, ​
white (1 clue + 4 plays + 3 empty = 8 turns)
What is the critical card?
white2,with a white 2clue,
What is the critical move?
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A) Alice clues Bob white2,with a white 2clue, / white2,with a white 2clue,
hint: don't choose A
B) Alice clues Donald white3,with a white 3clue, / white3,with a white 3clue,
C) Alice clues Emily white4,with a white 4clue, / white4,with a white 4clue,
D) Alice discards white4,with a white 4clue,
E) Alice (mis)plays white4,with a white 4clue,
F) Alice discards slot 1
G) Alice (mis)plays slot 1

What is the maximum score?

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1. Group by colour:
black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,yellow5,with a yellow 5clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, ​
black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,red4,with a red 4clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, ​ red5,with a red 5clue, ​
white,with a white clue,white2,with a white 2clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,white3,with a white 3clue, ​ white4,with a white 4clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,white5,with a white 5clue, ​

2. Serialise:

white,with a white clue,white2,with a white 2clue,red4,with a red 4clue,yellow5,with a yellow 5clue,white3,with a white 3clue, ​ white4,with a white 4clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,white5,with a white 5clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, ​ red5,with a red 5clue, ​
3cards in the deck2cards in the deck1cards in the deck0cards in the deckcards in the deck ​ cards in the deckcards in the deckcards in the deckcards in the deck ​
  • There are not enough turns for Alice to clue white2,with a white 2clue, and play both white4,with a white 4clue, and red5,with a red 5clue,.
  • Can Alice shorten the critical path?
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1. Group by colour:
black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,yellow5,with a yellow 5clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, ​
black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,red4,with a red 4clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, ​ red5,with a red 5clue, ​
white,with a white clue,white2,with a white 2clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,white3,with a white 3clue,white4,with a white 4clue, ​ black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,white5,with a white 5clue, ​

2. Serialise:

white,with a white clue,white2,with a white 2clue,red4,with a red 4clue,white3,with a white 3clue,white4,with a white 4clue, ​ red5,with a red 5clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,white5,with a white 5clue,yellow5,with a yellow 5clue, ​
3cards in the deck2cards in the deck1cards in the deck0cards in the deckcards in the deck ​ cards in the deckcards in the deckcards in the deckcards in the deck ​
  • Alice clues the unmarked white4,with a white 4clue, in Emily's hand (finesse) so that Alice has one card fewer to play and shortens the critical path.
Solution
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A) Alice clues Bob white2,with a white 2clue, / white2,with a white 2clue, ❌ does not get the unmarked white3,with a white 3clue, / white4,with a white 4clue,
B) Alice clues Donald white3,with a white 3clue, / white3,with a white 3clue, ❌ does not get the unmarked white4,with a white 4clue,
C) Alice clues Emily white4,with a white 4clue, / white4,with a white 4clue, ❌ does not get the unmarked white3,with a white 3clue,
D) Alice discards white4,with a white 4clue, ✅ finesses up to white4,with a white 4clue,
E) Alice (mis)plays white4,with a white 4clue, ❌ interpretation = positional misplay
F) Alice discards slot 1 ✅ Donald and Emily both see Alice could have clued instead white4,with a white 4clue,
G) Alice (mis)plays slot 1 ❌ interpretation = positional misplay

Other possible options include trash push if both of Emily's other cards are the same rank (not 4) or colour (not white) e.g red1,with a red 1clue,yellow1,with a yellow 1clue, then Alice could clue red1,with a red 1clue,yellow1,with a yellow 1clue, to Emily's hand white4,with a white 4clue,red1,with a red 1clue,yellow1,with a yellow 1clue,white3,with a white 3clue, Emily 🡲

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