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Extra examples from Sammy's '''[[User:Sammy_McSam/Hanabi|Hanabi page]]'''


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== {{pill|Interpretation|#aff|#cfd}} ==
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=== 2025-07-05 ===
<div style="display:flex;gap:1rem;"><div>
{{cardholder|{{Hr|5}}{{Hw|2|n=}}{{Hr|2|n=}}{{Hy|4}} |Alice 🡲}}
{{cardholder|{{Hy|2}}{{Hg|1}}{{Hb|2}}{{Hm|4|c=|n=}} |Bob 🡲}}
{{cardholder|{{Hm|1}}{{Hr|4}}{{Hb|4}}{{Hk|2|n=}} |Cathy 🡲}}
{{cardholder|{{Hy|1}}{{Hm|5|n=}}{{Hw|5|n=}}{{Hy|3|c=}} |Donald 🡲}}
</div><div>
{{infoBox |color=#ddf |titleColor=#005
|title=Played
|body={{hr|2}} {{hy|1}} {{hg|1}} {{hb|2}} {{hw|2}} {{hm|2}} {{hk|3}}
}}
{{infoBox |color=#fdd |titleColor=#500
|title=Discarded
|body={{hr|4}} {{hy|3}} {{hg|4}} {{hb|3}} {{hb|1}} {{hw|1}} {{hk|4}} {{hk|2}}
}}
:[https://boardgamearena.com/archive/replay/250703-0920/?table=697080440&player=84994396&comments=84994396&goto=37 Alice's view]
:[https://boardgamearena.com/archive/replay/250703-0920/?table=697080440&player=85786974&comments=84994396&goto=37 Donald's view]
</div><div>
{{Hw|2|n=}} {{Hr|2|n=}} are known trash
{{hy|3|c=}} is known not trash
</div></div>


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Other possible options include [https://en.doc.boardgamearena.com/index.php?title=User:Sammy_McSam/Hanabi/Examples#Advanced_Techniques trash push] if both of Emily's other cards are the same rank (not 4) or colour (not white) e.g {{Hr|1}}{{Hy|1}} then Alice could clue {{Hr|1|n=}}{{Hy|1|n=}} to Emily.
Other possible options include [https://en.doc.boardgamearena.com/index.php?title=User:Sammy_McSam/Hanabi/Examples#Advanced_Techniques trash push] if both of Emily's other cards are the same rank (not 4) or colour (not white) e.g {{Hr|1}}{{Hy|1}} then Alice could clue {{Hr|1|n=}}{{Hy|1|n=}} to Emily.
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That was a tough one. So here's an easier one:
==== 2024-09-24 ====
: {{HDeck|5}} {{Hr|5}} {{Hy|5}} {{Hg|2}} {{Hb|3}} {{Hw|1}} {{Hk|3}} {{Hclue|3}}
: {{HDeck|5}}: {{Hk}}{{Hw|4}}{{Hw|2}}{{Hk}}{{Hk|1}}
{{cardholder|{{Hk|3}}{{Hk|2}}{{Hk}}{{Hk}} |Alice 🡲}}
{{cardholder|{{Hw|2}}{{Hm|1|{{g}}|c=}}{{Hg|3|c=}}{{Hg|4|c=|n=}} |Bob 🡲}}
{{cardholder|{{Hk}}{{Hk}}{{Hb|5|n=}}{{Hb|4|c=}} |Cathy 🡲}}
{{cardholder|{{Hb|1|c=}}{{Hm|2|{{b}}|c=}}{{Hg|5}}{{Hw|5|n=|c=}} |Donald 🡲}}
{{cardholder|{{Hk}}{{Hk}}{{Hk}}{{Hw|3|n=}} |Emily 🡲}}
{{infoBoxes3 |minWidth=max-content |state=collapsed |color=rebeccapurple
|title1=What is the critical colour?
|body1='''Grouped by colour:'''
: {{cardholder|{{Hw|p=A|c=}}{{Hg|3|p=B}}{{Hk|p=C}}{{Hk|p=D}}{{Hk|p=E}} |c={{g}} }} {{cardholder|{{Hk|p=A}}{{Hg|4|p=B}}{{Hk|p=C}}{{Hg|5|p=D}} |c={{g}} }}
: {{cardholder|{{Hw|p=A|d=#324|c=}}{{Hw|2|p=B|d=#324}}{{Hk|p=C|d=#324}}{{Hk|p=D|d=#324}}{{Hw|3|p=E|d=#324}} |c={{w}} }} {{cardholder|{{Hk|p=A|d=#324}}{{Hk|p=B|d=#324}}{{Hw|4|p=C|d=#324}}{{Hw|5|p=D|d=#324}} |c={{w}} }}
: {{cardholder|{{Hk|p=A}}{{Hk|p=B}}{{Hb|4|p=C}}{{Hk|p=D}}{{Hk|p=E}}|c={{b}} }} {{cardholder|{{Hk|p=A}}{{Hk|p=B}}{{Hb|5|p=C}} |c={{b}} }}
: {{cardholder|{{Hk|p=A}}{{Hk|p=B}}{{Hk|p=C}}{{Hk|p=D}}{{Hk|p=E|n=}} }} {{cardholder|{{Hk|2|p=A}}{{Hk|p=B}}{{Hk|p=C}}{{Hk|p=D}}{{Hk|1|p=E}} }}
* '''green''' (1 clue + 3 plays + 5 empty = 9 turns)
* '''white''' (1 clue + 4 plays + 4 empty = 9 turns)
* '''blue'''  (2 plays + 6 empty = 8 turns)
* '''black''' (1 clue + 2 plays + 3 empty = 6 turns)
|title2=What is the critical card?
|body2={{Hg|3}} / {{Hw|2}}
|title3=What is the critical move?
|body3=Alice clues {{Hw|2|c=}}{{Hm|1|{{w}}|white|c=}}
}}
If each player plays their marked cards, then currently there are not enough turns to play all cards.
==== What is the maximum score? ====
{{infoBoxes |maxWidth=600 |state=collapsedz
|title1=
|body1=
'''1. Group by colour:'''
: {{cardholder|{{Hw|p=A|c=}}{{Hg|3|p=B}}{{Hk|p=C}}{{Hk|p=D}}{{Hk|p=E}} |c={{g}} }} {{cardholder|{{Hk|p=A}}{{Hg|4|p=B}}{{Hk|p=C}}{{Hg|5|p=D}} |c={{g}} }}
: {{cardholder|{{Hw|p=A|d=#324|c=}}{{Hw|2|p=B|d=#324}}{{Hk|p=C|d=#324}}{{Hk|p=D|d=#324}}{{Hw|3|p=E|d=#324}} |c={{w}} }} {{cardholder|{{Hk|p=A|d=#324}}{{Hk|p=B|d=#324}}{{Hw|4|p=C|d=#324}}{{Hw|5|p=D|d=#324}} |c={{w}} }}
: {{cardholder|{{Hk|p=A}}{{Hk|p=B}}{{Hb|4|p=C}}{{Hk|p=D}}{{Hk|p=E}}|c={{b}} }} {{cardholder|{{Hk|p=A}}{{Hk|p=B}}{{Hb|5|p=C}} |c={{b}} }}
: {{cardholder|{{Hk|p=A}}{{Hk|p=B}}{{Hk|p=C}}{{Hk|p=D}}{{Hk|p=E|n=}} }} {{cardholder|{{Hk|2|p=A}}{{Hk|p=B}}{{Hk|p=C}}{{Hk|p=D}}{{Hk|1|p=E}} }}
'''2. Serialise:'''
: {{cardholder|{{Hw|p=A|c=}}{{Hw|2|p=B}}{{Hb|4|p=C}}{{Hk|p=D|n=}}{{Hw|3|p=E}} }} {{cardholder|{{Hk|2|p=A}}{{Hg|3|p=B}}{{Hw|4|p=C}}{{Hw|5|p=D}}{{Hk|1|p=E}} }} {{cardholder|{{Hk|p=A}}{{Hk|p=B}}{{Hb|5|p=C}}{{Hg|5|p=D}} }}
: {{cardholder|{{HDeck|5|p=A}}{{HDeck|4|p=B}}{{HDeck|3|p=C}}{{HDeck|3|p=D}}{{HDeck|2|p=E}} }} {{cardholder|{{HDeck|1|p=A}}{{HDeck|0|p=B}}{{HDeck|p=C}}{{HDeck|p=D}}{{HDeck|p=E}} }} {{cardholder|{{HDeck|p=A}}{{HDeck|p=B}}{{HDeck|p=C}} }}
: {{cardholder|{{Hw|p=A|c=}}{{Hg|3|p=B}}{{Hb|4|p=C}}{{Hk|p=D|n=}}{{Hw|3|p=E}} }} {{cardholder|{{Hk|2|p=A}}{{Hg|4|p=B}}{{Hw|4|p=C}}{{Hg|5|p=D}}{{Hk|1|p=E}} }} {{cardholder|{{Hk|p=A}}{{Hk|p=B}}{{Hb|5|p=C}}{{Hw|5|p=D}} }}
: {{cardholder|{{HDeck|5|p=A}}{{HDeck|4|p=B}}{{HDeck|3|p=C}}{{HDeck|3|p=D}}{{HDeck|2|p=E}} }} {{cardholder|{{HDeck|1|p=A}}{{HDeck|0|p=B}}{{HDeck|p=C}}{{HDeck|p=D}}{{HDeck|p=E}} }} {{cardholder|{{HDeck|p=A}}{{HDeck|p=B}}{{HDeck|p=C}} }}
: {{cardholder|{{Hk|p=A|n=}}{{Hg|3|p=B}}{{Hb|4|p=C}}{{Hk|p=D|n=}}{{Hw|3|p=E}} }} {{cardholder|{{Hk|2|p=A}}{{Hg|4|p=B}}{{Hw|4|p=C}}{{Hg|5|p=D}}{{Hk|1|p=E}} }} {{cardholder|{{Hk|p=A}}{{Hk|p=B}}{{Hb|5|p=C}}{{Hw|5|p=D}} }}
: {{cardholder|{{Hclue|3|size=1}}{{Hk|p=B}}{{Hw|4|p=C}}{{Hk|p=D}}{{Hw|2|p=E}} }} {{cardholder|{{Hk|p=A}}{{Hk|1|p=B}}{{Hk|p=C}}{{Hg|5|p=D}}{{Hk|p=E}} }} {{cardholder|{{Hk|p=A}}{{Hk|p=B}}{{Hb|5|p=C}}{{Hw|5|p=D}} }}
: {{cardholder|{{HDeck|5|p=A}}{{HDeck|4|p=B}}{{HDeck|3|p=C}}{{HDeck|3|p=D}}{{HDeck|2|p=E}} }} {{cardholder|{{HDeck|1|p=A}}{{HDeck|0|p=B}}{{HDeck|p=C}}{{HDeck|p=D}}{{HDeck|p=E}} }} {{cardholder|{{HDeck|p=A}}{{HDeck|p=B}}{{HDeck|p=C}} }}
|title2=30
|body2=
'''1. Group by colour:'''
: {{cardholder|{{Hk|p=A|d=#324}}{{Hk|p=B|d=#324}}{{Hk|p=C|d=#324}}{{Hy|5|p=D|d=#324}}{{Hk|p=E|d=#324}} |c={{y}} }}
: {{cardholder|{{Hk|p=A}}{{Hk|p=B}}{{Hr|4|p=C}}{{Hk|p=D}}{{Hk|p=E}} |c={{r}}
}}{{cardholder|{{Hr|5|p=A}} |c={{r}} }}
: {{cardholder|{{Hw|p=A|d=#324|c=}}{{Hw|2|p=B|d=#324}}{{Hk|p=C|d=#324}}{{Hw|3|p=D|d=#324}}{{Hw|4|p=E|d=#324}} |c={{w}} }} {{cardholder|{{Hk|p=A|d=#324}}{{Hk|p=B|d=#324}}{{Hw|5|p=C|d=#324}} |c={{w}} }}
'''2. Serialise:'''
: {{cardholder|{{Hw|p=A|c=}}{{Hw|2|p=B}}{{Hr|4|p=C}}{{Hw|3|p=D}}{{Hw|4|p=E}} }} {{cardholder|{{Hr|5|p=A}}{{Hk|p=B}}{{Hw|5|p=C}}{{Hy|5|p=D}} }}
: {{cardholder|{{HDeck|3|p=A}}{{HDeck|2|p=B}}{{HDeck|1|p=C}}{{HDeck|0|p=D}}{{HDeck|p=E}} }} {{cardholder|{{HDeck|p=A}} {{HDeck|p=B}}{{HDeck|p=C}}{{HDeck|p=D}} }}
}}
}}

Revision as of 02:31, 8 July 2025

Extra examples from Sammy's Hanabi page

⚠ Work in progress

Interpretation

2025-07-05

red5,with a red 5clue,white2,with a white 2clue,red2,with a red 2clue,yellow4,with a yellow 4clue, Alice 🡲

yellow2,with a yellow 2clue,green1,with a green 1clue,blue2,with a blue 2clue,multicolour4,with a multicolour 4clue, Bob 🡲

multicolour1,with a multicolour 1clue,red4,with a red 4clue,blue4,with a blue 4clue,black powder2,with a black powder 2clue, Cathy 🡲

yellow1,with a yellow 1clue,multicolour5,with a multicolour 5clue,white5,with a white 5clue,yellow3,with a yellow 3clue, Donald 🡲

Played
red2,with a red 2clue, yellow1,with a yellow 1clue, green1,with a green 1clue, blue2,with a blue 2clue, white2,with a white 2clue, multicolour2,with a multicolour 2clue, black powder3,with a black powder 3clue,
Discarded
red4,with a red 4clue, yellow3,with a yellow 3clue, green4,with a green 4clue, blue3,with a blue 3clue, blue1,with a blue 1clue, white1,with a white 1clue, black powder4,with a black powder 4clue, black powder2,with a black powder 2clue,
Alice's view
Donald's view

white2,with a white 2clue, red2,with a red 2clue, are known trash

yellow3,with a yellow 3clue, is known not trash

2024-08-02

Complex example with gap between clue giver and first response:

  • A clues yellow4,with a yellow 4clue,
  • B does something unrelated
  • C plays yellow1,with a yellow 1clue,
  • D plays black powder3,with a black powder 3clue, as yellow2,with a yellow 2clue,
  • E has yellow3,with a yellow 3clue, marked
  • Why isn't it layered? 🡆 Wrong question
  • Should be thinking: can it be a bluff? / do I need to keep playing?
  • Alice's view
  • Donald's view

Endgame

3cards in the deck red3,with a red 3clue, yellow4,with a yellow 4clue, green5,with a green 5clue, blue5,with a blue 5clue, white1,with a white 1clue, 3 clue tokens

card back,with a clue,card back,with a clue,card back4,with a 4clue,card back5,with a 5clue, Alice 🡲 white2,with a white 2clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, Bob 🡲 black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,red4,with a red 4clue,white5,with a white 5clue, Cathy 🡲 white3,with a white 3clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,yellow5,with a yellow 5clue, Donald 🡲 white4,with a white 4clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,white3,with a white 3clue, Emily 🡲

What is the critical colour?
Grouped by colour:
black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,yellow5,with a yellow 5clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, ​
black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,red4,with a red 4clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, ​ red5,with a red 5clue, ​
white,with a white clue,white2,with a white 2clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,white3,with a white 3clue, ​ white4,with a white 4clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,white5,with a white 5clue, ​
white (1 clue + 4 plays + 3 empty = 8 turns)
What is the critical card?
white2,with a white 2clue,
What is the critical move?
​
A) Alice clues Bob white2,with a white 2clue, / white2,with a white 2clue, hint: don't choose A
B) Alice clues Donald white3,with a white 3clue, / white3,with a white 3clue,
C) Alice clues Emily white4,with a white 4clue, / white4,with a white 4clue,
D) Alice discards white4,with a white 4clue,
E) Alice (mis)plays white4,with a white 4clue,
F) Alice discards slot 1
G) Alice (mis)plays slot 1

What is the maximum score?

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1. Group by colour:
black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,yellow5,with a yellow 5clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, ​
black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,red4,with a red 4clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, ​ red5,with a red 5clue, ​
white,with a white clue,white2,with a white 2clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,white3,with a white 3clue, ​ white4,with a white 4clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,white5,with a white 5clue, ​

2. Serialise:

white,with a white clue,white2,with a white 2clue,red4,with a red 4clue,yellow5,with a yellow 5clue,white3,with a white 3clue, ​ white4,with a white 4clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,white5,with a white 5clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, ​ red5,with a red 5clue, ​
3cards in the deck2cards in the deck1cards in the deck0cards in the deckcards in the deck ​ cards in the deckcards in the deckcards in the deckcards in the deck ​
  • There are not enough turns for Alice to clue white2,with a white 2clue, and play both white4,with a white 4clue, and red5,with a red 5clue,.
  • Can Alice shorten the critical path?
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1. Group by colour:
black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,yellow5,with a yellow 5clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, ​
black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,red4,with a red 4clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue, ​ red5,with a red 5clue, ​
white,with a white clue,white2,with a white 2clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,white3,with a white 3clue,white4,with a white 4clue, ​ black powder,with a black powder clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,white5,with a white 5clue, ​

2. Serialise:

white,with a white clue,white2,with a white 2clue,red4,with a red 4clue,white3,with a white 3clue,white4,with a white 4clue, ​ red5,with a red 5clue,black powder,with a black powder clue,white5,with a white 5clue,yellow5,with a yellow 5clue, ​
3cards in the deck2cards in the deck1cards in the deck0cards in the deckcards in the deck ​ cards in the deckcards in the deckcards in the deckcards in the deck ​
  • Alice clues the unmarked white4,with a white 4clue, in Emily's hand (finesse) so that Alice has one card fewer to play and shortens the critical path.
Solution
:A) Alice clues Bob white2,with a white 2clue, / white2,with a white 2clue, ❌ does not get the unmarked white3,with a white 3clue, / white4,with a white 4clue,
B) Alice clues Donald white3,with a white 3clue, / white3,with a white 3clue, ❌ does not get the unmarked white4,with a white 4clue,
C) Alice clues Emily white4,with a white 4clue, / white4,with a white 4clue, ❌ does not get the unmarked white3,with a white 3clue,
D) Alice discards white4,with a white 4clue, ✅ finesses up to white4,with a white 4clue,
E) Alice (mis)plays white4,with a white 4clue, ❌ interpretation = [Gamehelphanabi#Advanced positional misplay]
F) Alice discards slot 1 ✅ Donald and Emily both see Alice could have clued instead white4,with a white 4clue,
G) Alice (mis)plays slot 1 ❌ interpretation: [Gamehelphanabi#Advanced positional misplay]
Other possible options include trash push if both of Emily's other cards are the same rank (not 4) or colour (not white) e.g red1,with a red 1clue,yellow1,with a yellow 1clue, then Alice could clue red1,with a red 1clue,yellow1,with a yellow 1clue, to Emily.