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During early game, you want to be obvious in what you did. During late game, you want to be effecient.
 
During early game, you want to be obvious in what you did. During late game, you want to be effecient.
  
During mid game, the goal is to optimise the deplacement by trying to gain one turn by moving a card which will link cards of same colors which were one away or rarely two away.
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=== Summary: ===
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todo
  
 
=== Peeking: ===
 
=== Peeking: ===
  
You usually want to (in order of value):
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You usually want to peek (in order of value):
# if before your peek you already got a move planned, a tile where certain colors would make that move bad
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# if before your peek you already got a move planned, a tile where certain colors would make that move bad (=peek close to the tile you plan to move)
 
# tiles you can move
 
# tiles you can move
 
# tiles not adjacent to any tiles you know
 
# tiles not adjacent to any tiles you know
# if you search for a tile to move, peek at tiles far from the center. If you search for a tile to lock, peek at tiles close to the center
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# if you search for a tile to move, peek at tiles far from the action. If you search for a tile to lock, peek at tiles close to the action
# if a single color hint is available, peek at tiles in the center to lock it there
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# if a single color hint is available, peek at tiles close to the action to lock it there
 
# if before your second peek, you still got no tile to move, try to peek at a tile you could move which would make that tile close to the action
 
# if before your second peek, you still got no tile to move, try to peek at a tile you could move which would make that tile close to the action
 
# if you fully optimise, and if you got a move to do before your first or second peek, you can peek at a bad tile (like a tile you can't move) to show to your teammate you already got a pair. In some cases, if you finally don't move your first pair, you will give extra infos
 
# if you fully optimise, and if you got a move to do before your first or second peek, you can peek at a bad tile (like a tile you can't move) to show to your teammate you already got a pair. In some cases, if you finally don't move your first pair, you will give extra infos
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You usually want to:
 
You usually want to:
# group your pairs to make them be adjacent (for the others players to know you got a pair). You usually got two possibilities to move your pair, try to regroup them close to the action/the center/close to unknown tiles
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# group your pairs to make them be adjacent (for the others players to know you got a pair). You usually got two possibilities to move your pair, try to regroup them close to the action/close to unknown tiles
 
# put low priority on moving tiles which are one or two aways: you got the upside to have the possibilities to 'fill the gap' with the others cards of that type
 
# put low priority on moving tiles which are one or two aways: you got the upside to have the possibilities to 'fill the gap' with the others cards of that type
 
# if you fully optimise and got more than one pair, put more value on moving your latter pair: if your teammates paid close attention to what you peeked at, they can deduce things from your weird second peek (since you already got one pair)
 
# if you fully optimise and got more than one pair, put more value on moving your latter pair: if your teammates paid close attention to what you peeked at, they can deduce things from your weird second peek (since you already got one pair)
 
  
 
=== Hints meaning ===
 
=== Hints meaning ===
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For the same reason, if a red/purple/green hint is available, and a red/purple is available, you can use the red/purple/green hint for 100% green.
 
For the same reason, if a red/purple/green hint is available, and a red/purple is available, you can use the red/purple/green hint for 100% green.
  
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Furthermore, if a red/purple/green hint is available, and a red/purple/blue hint is available, and no hint has been placed, locking a tile with a three color hint is bad, that don't give much informations. That mean, if you do it anyway, it's because you want to insist in the difference. So red/purple/green would be green, and red/purple/blue would be blue. This work until another hint is drawn.
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But, if you got red/purple and red/green available, here you got value of locking some red. So here, the playstyle betweens players are differents, some would assume 100% purple and 100% green, while others would assume more like purple or green (mathematiquely it's at least 66%) but potentially red.
  
 
=== Drawing/Hinting: ===
 
=== Drawing/Hinting: ===
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You only want to lock at tiles:
 
You only want to lock at tiles:
# where there is at least another tile nearby
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# where there is at least another tile of the same color nearby
 
# or the color of the card under the hint is known after your hint
 
# or the color of the card under the hint is known after your hint
  
 
Furthermore, locking a single card is not great. You could either never do it, or do it only if:
 
Furthermore, locking a single card is not great. You could either never do it, or do it only if:
# so the color is known
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# it's early or sometimes it's late but most of the unknown tiles nearby are on that color, that can happen if you have peek at like 3 or 4 of the same color
# the card is close to the center/the action
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# the color is known
# maybe if your teammate got a timing to lock it or not
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# the card is close to the the action
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# maybe if your teammate got a timing to use that hint (if a purple hint is available and he didn't used it, that mean he didn't got many purples)
  
 
=== Position of locking: ===
 
=== Position of locking: ===
  
You usually want to lock your pair or trio in one of the extremity. Usually the closer to the center extremity, except if it's confusing. On this case, locking the outside extremity look best. So usually, a locking of an outside extremity mean you got a trio.
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You usually want to lock your pair or trio in one of the extremity. Usually the tile you didn't move, or if you did an unrelated move, the closer to the action, except if it's confusing.
If you got a pair, and a third tile of that color which is one away of that pair, you usually want to lock the solo tile if the color of the hint is known. If it isn't, that can be confusing, so you use at your own risk. Since that hint is really weird, that give extra informations to the other player. In the worst case if he add another identical color in the following turn, you will just have to fill the gap later with one of the two tiles of your pair.  
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Usually, a locking of an outside extremity mean you got a trio.
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If you got a pair, and a third tile of that color which is one away of that pair, you usually want to lock the solo tile if the color of the hint is known. If it isn't, that can be confusing, so use at your own risk. Since that hint is really weird, that give extra informations to the other player. In the worst case if he add another identical color in the following turn, you will just have to fill the gap later with one of the two tiles of your pair.  
  
 
If you fully optimise, you want to lock a tile at the best position.
 
If you fully optimise, you want to lock a tile at the best position.
 
But, you can use the position of the hint to convey extra information. If you got access to a green/red hint, and have 2 red and 1 green, you want to first lock your two reds, but give a place to put a card next to it, which would touch both your pair of red, and your green. That way, whatever card your teammate put next to it, it will be good. So, if you don't respect the previous rule, that for me mean you are in this specific case.
 
But, you can use the position of the hint to convey extra information. If you got access to a green/red hint, and have 2 red and 1 green, you want to first lock your two reds, but give a place to put a card next to it, which would touch both your pair of red, and your green. That way, whatever card your teammate put next to it, it will be good. So, if you don't respect the previous rule, that for me mean you are in this specific case.
 
And so depending of the move and position of lock done by the you, the other player can deduce differents things.
 
And so depending of the move and position of lock done by the you, the other player can deduce differents things.
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Furthermore, if you lock an already globally known tile, that should tell the others players you got one of the other colors nearby.
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=== Points: ===
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+5 per hint not drawn / +2 per hint not played / +1 per correct hint / -1 per incorrect hint
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So, if you think the game will end soon, you want to play hints instead of drawing them to maximise points.
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And so drawing while having at least one hint available mean you don't want the other player to declare. (Using an hint does not said the opposite though.)
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=== Probabilities: ===
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Let's said your teammate saw 2 tiles, and locked them with red/green hint, if you find
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# r: then the pair is 33% r (1/3)
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# rg or rrgg: then the pair is 50% r (1/2)
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# rr: then the pair is 14% r (1/7)
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# rrg: then the pair is 25% r (1/4)
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# rrr: then the pair is g (0)
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=== Example of a game: ===
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Here is what I advice from the first turn of each player if they get differents tiles:
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[[File:Yokai-turn0.jpg]][[File:Yokai-turn2.jpg]][[File:Yokai-turn3.jpg]][[File:Yokai-turn6.jpg]]
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After that, it gets interresting. On this game:
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[[File:Yokai-turn7.jpg]]
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as you can see, we got a blue and a yellow/red hint. This mean you can plan to lock your yellow tile. I would still look at c4 (bottom right of the yellow), then:
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[[File:Yokai-turn8-1.jpg]]
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here, peeking at a3 tell immediately that you want to insist on b3 which is good. Note that if that forth tile is green, you can create a green pair and still lock your two yellows, which tell your teammate you got two pairs.
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[[File:Yokai-turn8-2.jpg]]
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here, it's totally awkward, you got a pair, so I suggest normally to peek at d4 in case you want to move d4 which still left you with two one away green. But only yellow would be good to move that early. So I will not enforce any move here since lots of move look similar in power level.
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[[File:Yokai-turn8-3.jpg]]
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you got the pair yellow/red. The goal is to try to get a yellow or red pair, and then lock it, while creating a space next to your pair and the other color. It's complicated, but I would peek at b4, trying to get a yellow or red, and if I get it, move the green up, and lock the first or third tile peeked (b3 or c4) which will make the hint close to the empty space c3 which will be adjacent to both yellow and red. If that tile is green, you can just create a green pair (b4>e3), and if it's blue again no good move to do.
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[[File:Yokai-turn8-4.jpg]]
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finally if it's blue,  nothing good to do, so I suggest to finish that +, and peek at c2.
  
 
=== Example of a 2 player start (outdated, but still good): ===
 
=== Example of a 2 player start (outdated, but still good): ===

Latest revision as of 11:57, 19 August 2022

General

This game is about optimizing the moves and informations given in order to win (as fast as possible).

The most important thing to understand is during the early game, the goal is to give informations to others players. More the game advance, and less what you check is important, and more the movement is.

During early game, you want to be obvious in what you did. During late game, you want to be effecient.

Summary:

todo

Peeking:

You usually want to peek (in order of value):

  1. if before your peek you already got a move planned, a tile where certain colors would make that move bad (=peek close to the tile you plan to move)
  2. tiles you can move
  3. tiles not adjacent to any tiles you know
  4. if you search for a tile to move, peek at tiles far from the action. If you search for a tile to lock, peek at tiles close to the action
  5. if a single color hint is available, peek at tiles close to the action to lock it there
  6. if before your second peek, you still got no tile to move, try to peek at a tile you could move which would make that tile close to the action
  7. if you fully optimise, and if you got a move to do before your first or second peek, you can peek at a bad tile (like a tile you can't move) to show to your teammate you already got a pair. In some cases, if you finally don't move your first pair, you will give extra infos

Moving:

You usually want to:

  1. group your pairs to make them be adjacent (for the others players to know you got a pair). You usually got two possibilities to move your pair, try to regroup them close to the action/close to unknown tiles
  2. put low priority on moving tiles which are one or two aways: you got the upside to have the possibilities to 'fill the gap' with the others cards of that type
  3. if you fully optimise and got more than one pair, put more value on moving your latter pair: if your teammates paid close attention to what you peeked at, they can deduce things from your weird second peek (since you already got one pair)

Hints meaning

If a red hint is available, and a red/purple hint is available, you can assume using the red/purple hint for red is straight up bad. That mean you can use red/purple to said it's purple.

For the same reason, if a red/purple/green hint is available, and a red/purple is available, you can use the red/purple/green hint for 100% green.

Furthermore, if a red/purple/green hint is available, and a red/purple/blue hint is available, and no hint has been placed, locking a tile with a three color hint is bad, that don't give much informations. That mean, if you do it anyway, it's because you want to insist in the difference. So red/purple/green would be green, and red/purple/blue would be blue. This work until another hint is drawn.

But, if you got red/purple and red/green available, here you got value of locking some red. So here, the playstyle betweens players are differents, some would assume 100% purple and 100% green, while others would assume more like purple or green (mathematiquely it's at least 66%) but potentially red.

Drawing/Hinting:

Putting a hint block the tile which can't be moved anymore. Which mean you shouldn't lock a single card excentred with color rgb.

You only want to lock at tiles:

  1. where there is at least another tile of the same color nearby
  2. or the color of the card under the hint is known after your hint

Furthermore, locking a single card is not great. You could either never do it, or do it only if:

  1. it's early or sometimes it's late but most of the unknown tiles nearby are on that color, that can happen if you have peek at like 3 or 4 of the same color
  2. the color is known
  3. the card is close to the the action
  4. maybe if your teammate got a timing to use that hint (if a purple hint is available and he didn't used it, that mean he didn't got many purples)

Position of locking:

You usually want to lock your pair or trio in one of the extremity. Usually the tile you didn't move, or if you did an unrelated move, the closer to the action, except if it's confusing. Usually, a locking of an outside extremity mean you got a trio. If you got a pair, and a third tile of that color which is one away of that pair, you usually want to lock the solo tile if the color of the hint is known. If it isn't, that can be confusing, so use at your own risk. Since that hint is really weird, that give extra informations to the other player. In the worst case if he add another identical color in the following turn, you will just have to fill the gap later with one of the two tiles of your pair.

If you fully optimise, you want to lock a tile at the best position. But, you can use the position of the hint to convey extra information. If you got access to a green/red hint, and have 2 red and 1 green, you want to first lock your two reds, but give a place to put a card next to it, which would touch both your pair of red, and your green. That way, whatever card your teammate put next to it, it will be good. So, if you don't respect the previous rule, that for me mean you are in this specific case. And so depending of the move and position of lock done by the you, the other player can deduce differents things. Furthermore, if you lock an already globally known tile, that should tell the others players you got one of the other colors nearby.

Points:

+5 per hint not drawn / +2 per hint not played / +1 per correct hint / -1 per incorrect hint So, if you think the game will end soon, you want to play hints instead of drawing them to maximise points. And so drawing while having at least one hint available mean you don't want the other player to declare. (Using an hint does not said the opposite though.)

Probabilities:

Let's said your teammate saw 2 tiles, and locked them with red/green hint, if you find

  1. r: then the pair is 33% r (1/3)
  2. rg or rrgg: then the pair is 50% r (1/2)
  3. rr: then the pair is 14% r (1/7)
  4. rrg: then the pair is 25% r (1/4)
  5. rrr: then the pair is g (0)

Example of a game:

Here is what I advice from the first turn of each player if they get differents tiles: Yokai-turn0.jpgYokai-turn2.jpgYokai-turn3.jpgYokai-turn6.jpg

After that, it gets interresting. On this game:

Yokai-turn7.jpg

as you can see, we got a blue and a yellow/red hint. This mean you can plan to lock your yellow tile. I would still look at c4 (bottom right of the yellow), then:

Yokai-turn8-1.jpg

here, peeking at a3 tell immediately that you want to insist on b3 which is good. Note that if that forth tile is green, you can create a green pair and still lock your two yellows, which tell your teammate you got two pairs.

Yokai-turn8-2.jpg

here, it's totally awkward, you got a pair, so I suggest normally to peek at d4 in case you want to move d4 which still left you with two one away green. But only yellow would be good to move that early. So I will not enforce any move here since lots of move look similar in power level.

Yokai-turn8-3.jpg

you got the pair yellow/red. The goal is to try to get a yellow or red pair, and then lock it, while creating a space next to your pair and the other color. It's complicated, but I would peek at b4, trying to get a yellow or red, and if I get it, move the green up, and lock the first or third tile peeked (b3 or c4) which will make the hint close to the empty space c3 which will be adjacent to both yellow and red. If that tile is green, you can just create a green pair (b4>e3), and if it's blue again no good move to do.

Yokai-turn8-4.jpg

finally if it's blue, nothing good to do, so I suggest to finish that +, and peek at c2.

Example of a 2 player start (outdated, but still good):

Here is my personnal start for 2 players if the other player doesn't interfere with what I do and nothing special is going on: https://www.zupimages.net/up/22/07/v4ej.jpg . (it's a great one for effeciency, but far from optimal)

That start is done to first, have an okay start if you first four peeks are differents (path 100> 80V 46< 11^), that will let you have two pairs next to each other (or one triple) turn 3 all the time.

Here is the same document for 2players https://i.ibb.co/tDCSKwV/yokai5-2.jpg done to create two differents '+' for both players. Depending of where the first player center his '+' (c3 usually, sometimes d2), the second player will center his '+' in differents position (usually b1, sometimes c4, rarely b3).