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	==How to Build Ships==		==How to Build Ships==
	To build a ship, you need (a) ~~cash,~~ and (b) ~~a colony with shipyards~~. ~~At the~~ start of the game~~, you only have shipyards~~ at your ~~homeworld~~, so ~~if you want~~ to build ships ~~anywhere else~~, you must first build ~~some shipyards (SY)~~. You can only ~~build~~ one ~~shipyard~~ per planet per ~~turn~~, and you can only ~~build shipyards~~ at planets that are generating at least 1 income. ~~You~~ cannot use a ~~shipyard~~ the same ~~turn~~ it was built. Once ~~you have~~ a planet ~~with~~ a ~~shipyard~~, the planet will show ~~the~~ capacity ~~for building, in the form~~ #/#. At Shipyard ~~technology~~ level 1 (the ~~initial~~ level) each SY can build ~~one ship with~~ a ~~hull size of x1~~. ~~Click that~~ planet, ~~and~~ then choose one of the ~~ship-building~~ options on the blue buttons at the top of the screen. The game automatically keeps track of ~~this~~ building ~~limit~~ and of the maximum ~~amount~~ of counters ~~- the~~ check is carried out when you click on Done, so if you exceed a value you need to go back and fix it. To remove a ship which you don't want to build ~~any longer~~, ~~you can~~ click on the counter ~~which has appeared~~ next to the planet.		To build a ship, you need Construction Points (CP's) and a Shipyard (SY). You start the game with Shipyards at your Homeworld, so to build ships at a different location, you must first build Shipyards there. You can build only one Shipyard per planet per Economic Phase, and you can build Shipyards only at planets that are generating at least 1 CP of income. Also, you cannot use a Shipyard during the same Economic Phase when it was built. Once a planet has a Shipyard, the planet will show its capacity as #/#. At Shipyard Technology level 1 (the starting level) each Shipyard can build 1 Hull Point. For example, if you have 3 Shipyards at a planet, you can build ships whose total Hull Points are less than or equal 3. To build, click the planet, then choose one of the shipbuilding options on the blue buttons at the top of the screen. The game automatically keeps track of building limits and the maximum number of counters (this check is carried out when you click Done, so if you exceed a value you need to go back and fix it). To remove a ship which you don't want to build, click on the counter that appears next to the planet.

	==Strategy Guide==		==Strategy Guide==

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	On a larger battle it is very hard to calculate the exact odds. Instead you can calculate the average damage that both side deal and note the amount of hull points each side has. Run a turn or two in your head to see who would be getting the upper hand.		On a larger battle it is very hard to calculate the exact odds. Instead you can calculate the average damage that both side deal and note the amount of hull points each side has. Run a turn or two in your head to see who would be getting the upper hand.

	The average damage is the roll that a ship has to roll equal or below to hit a target. For example a Scout shooting on another Scout without any technology hits on 3s and has an average damage of 0.3. The average hits are taken into account to make a somewhat quick analysis of who would have the upper hand on average.		The average damage is the roll that a ship has to roll equal or below to hit a target. For example a Scout shooting on another Scout without any technology hits on 3s and has an average damage of 3/10 or 0.3. The average hits are taken into account to make a somewhat quick analysis of who would have the upper hand on average.

	==== Examples ====		==== Examples ====

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	In a small fight between 2 ships you can determine the odds fairly straight forward. See '''Example 1''' below.		In a small fight between 2 ships you can determine the odds fairly straight forward. See '''Example 1''' below.

	On a larger battle it is very hard to calculate the exact odds. Instead you can calculate the average damage that both side deal, note the amount of hull points each side has ~~and run~~ a turn or two in your head to see who would ~~get~~ the upper hand.		On a larger battle it is very hard to calculate the exact odds. Instead you can calculate the average damage that both side deal and note the amount of hull points each side has. Run a turn or two in your head to see who would be getting the upper hand.

	The average damage is the roll that a ship has to roll equal or below to hit a target. For example a Scout shooting on another Scout without any technology hits on 3s and has an average damage of 0.3. The average hits are taken into account to make a somewhat quick analysis of who would have the upper hand on average.		The average damage is the roll that a ship has to roll equal or below to hit a target. For example a Scout shooting on another Scout without any technology hits on 3s and has an average damage of 0.3. The average hits are taken into account to make a somewhat quick analysis of who would have the upper hand on average.

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	===Determining odds===		===Determining odds===

	In a small fight between 2 ships you can determine the odds fairly straight forward.		In a small fight between 2 ships you can determine the odds fairly straight forward. See '''Example 1''' below.

	Example: A Red Scout is attacking a Blue Scout. Neither has any technology.		On a larger battle it is very hard to calculate the exact odds. Instead you can calculate the average damage that both side deal, note the amount of hull points each side has and run a turn or two in your head to see who would get the upper hand.

			The average damage is the roll that a ship has to roll equal or below to hit a target. For example a Scout shooting on another Scout without any technology hits on 3s and has an average damage of 0.3. The average hits are taken into account to make a somewhat quick analysis of who would have the upper hand on average.

			==== Examples ====

			'''Example 1:''' A Red Scout is attacking a Blue Scout. Neither has any technology.
	The Blue Scout shoots first. He has 3 attack and the Red Scout has 0 defense. So the Blue Scout has 3/10 chance of destroying the other on the first shot.		The Blue Scout shoots first. He has 3 attack and the Red Scout has 0 defense. So the Blue Scout has 3/10 chance of destroying the other on the first shot.
	If the Blue Scout missed (7/10 chance), the Red Scout can hit on 3/10. The chance of this happening is 7/10 (Blue missed) * 3/10 (Red Hits) = 21/100.		If the Blue Scout missed (7/10 chance), the Red Scout can hit on 3/10. The chance of this happening is 7/10 (Blue missed) * 3/10 (Red Hits) = 21/100.
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	With bigger ships the odds could be calculated similarly, but one ship would likely retreat if he is left with one hull point only.		With bigger ships the odds could be calculated similarly, but one ship would likely retreat if he is left with one hull point only.

	~~On a larger battle it is very hard to calculate the exact odds. Instead you can calculate the average damage that both side deal and run a turn or two in your head to see who would get the upper hand.~~		'''Example 2:''' A battle between two Scout and a Cruiser, neither having any technology can be analyzed as:

	The average damage is the roll that a ship has to roll equal or below to hit a target. For example a Scout shooting on another Scout without any technology hits on 3s and has an average damage of 0.3. The average hits are taken into account to make a somewhat quick analysis of who would have the upper hand on average.

	~~==== Examples ====~~
	'''~~Example1~~:''' A battle between two Scout and a Cruiser, neither having any technology can be analyzed as:
	*1st Round: Cruiser deals 0.4 hits, Scouts deal 0.6 hits (2 shots hitting on 3s, since the Cruiser has 1 Defense, but Scouts have fleet advantage)		*1st Round: Cruiser deals 0.4 hits, Scouts deal 0.6 hits (2 shots hitting on 3s, since the Cruiser has 1 Defense, but Scouts have fleet advantage)
	*2nd Round: Cruiser deals 0.4 hits (total 0.8), Scouts deal 0.6 hits (total 1.2) damaging the Cruiser and leaving 0.2 for next round.		*2nd Round: Cruiser deals 0.4 hits (total 0.8), Scouts deal 0.6 hits (total 1.2) damaging the Cruiser and leaving 0.2 for next round.
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	Clearly the Cruiser is supposed to be able to narrowly win this fight. Note that this analysis is only for the average results. Actual combat may go either way. The point is to be able to determine who has the advantage and if you should fight on or run. Normally you only need to calculate the average damage of each side and how fast each side is expected to lose ships to determine who has an advantage.		Clearly the Cruiser is supposed to be able to narrowly win this fight. Note that this analysis is only for the average results. Actual combat may go either way. The point is to be able to determine who has the advantage and if you should fight on or run. Normally you only need to calculate the average damage of each side and how fast each side is expected to lose ships to determine who has an advantage.

	'''Example 2:''' Blue has 3 Destroyers with Defense 1. Red has 6 Scouts with Attack 1, Defense 1.		'''Example 3:''' Blue has 3 Destroyers with Defense 1. Red has 6 Scouts with Attack 1, Defense 1.
	*Average Damage per Turn: Blue has 3 DDs hitting on 3 (4 - 1 Defense). 3 x 0.3 = 0.9 Hits. Red has 6 SCs hitting on 4s (3 + 1 Attack + 1 Fleet advantage - 1 Defense), dealing 6 x 0.4 = 2.4 hits.		*Average Damage per Turn: Blue has 3 DDs hitting on 3 (4 - 1 Defense). 3 x 0.3 = 0.9 Hits. Red has 6 SCs hitting on 4s (3 + 1 Attack + 1 Fleet advantage - 1 Defense), dealing 6 x 0.4 = 2.4 hits.
	*1st Round: Blue's DDs shoot first dealing 0.9 hits. Even if we round that up, they kill one SC. Red's SC deal 2.4 hits (or 2.0 if they lost a SC, or 1.6 if they lost 2), which kills two DDs.		*1st Round: Blue's DDs shoot first dealing 0.9 hits. Even if we round that up, they kill one SC. Red's SC deal 2.4 hits (or 2.0 if they lost a SC, or 1.6 if they lost 2), which kills two DDs.
	Red is expected to kill Blue's DDs faster than Blue can kill Red's SCs. Red can expect to win this battle while loosing 1-2 Scouts.		Red is expected to kill Blue's DDs faster than Blue can kill Red's SCs. Red can expect to win this battle while loosing 1-2 Scouts.

	'''Example 3:''' Blue has 1 Battleship, 1 Battlecruiser and 5 Cruisers with Attack 1, Defense 2, Tactics 1. Red has 7 Cruisers and 2 Scouts with Attack 2, Defense 2 and Tactics 2.		'''Example 4:''' Blue has 1 Battleship, 1 Battlecruiser and 5 Cruisers with Attack 1, Defense 2, Tactics 1. Red has 7 Cruisers and 2 Scouts with Attack 2, Defense 2 and Tactics 2.
	* Blue's average Damage per Turn: If Blue shoots at the Scouts with the BB and BC he hits on 5 + 1 Attack - 1 Defense = 5, with the CAs 4 + 1 Attack - 1 Defense = 4. Or a total of 2 x 0.5 + 5 x 0.4 = 3.0 hits, which is enough to kill them in a single round. Against the Cruisers each attack hits on 2 lower number for 2 x 0.3 (BB+BC) + 0.5 x 0.2 (CAs) = 1.6 hits per turn.		* Blue's average Damage per Turn: If Blue shoots at the Scouts with the BB and BC he hits on 5 + 1 Attack - 1 Defense = 5, with the CAs 4 + 1 Attack - 1 Defense = 4. Or a total of 2 x 0.5 + 5 x 0.4 = 3.0 hits, which is enough to kill them in a single round. Against the Cruisers each attack hits on 2 lower number for 2 x 0.3 (BB+BC) + 0.5 x 0.2 (CAs) = 1.6 hits per turn.
	* Red's average Damage per turn: Against Blue's the BC and CAs Red's CAs hit on 4 + 2 Attack - 3 Defense = 3s. Against the BB they hit on 2s. The Scouts hit on 3 + 1 -3 = 1s against all enemy ships (Always hit on 1 versus BBs). Red deals 7 x 0.3 + 2 x 0.2 = 2.3 hits against BC/CA and 7 x 0.2 + 2 x 0.1 = 1.6 against BB. Obviously Red will shoot at the BB last.		* Red's average Damage per turn: Against Blue's the BC and CAs Red's CAs hit on 4 + 2 Attack - 3 Defense = 3s. Against the BB they hit on 2s. The Scouts hit on 3 + 1 -3 = 1s against all enemy ships (Always hit on 1 versus BBs). Red deals 7 x 0.3 + 2 x 0.2 = 2.3 hits against BC/CA and 7 x 0.2 + 2 x 0.1 = 1.6 against BB. Obviously Red will shoot at the BB last.

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	On a larger battle it is very hard to calculate the exact odds. Instead you can calculate the average damage that both side deal and run a turn or two in your head to see who would get the upper hand.		On a larger battle it is very hard to calculate the exact odds. Instead you can calculate the average damage that both side deal and run a turn or two in your head to see who would get the upper hand.

	The average damage is the roll that a ship has to roll equal or below to hit a target. For example a Scout shooting on another Scout without any technology hits on 3s and has an average damage of 0.3.		The average damage is the roll that a ship has to roll equal or below to hit a target. For example a Scout shooting on another Scout without any technology hits on 3s and has an average damage of 0.3. The average hits are taken into account to make a somewhat quick analysis of who would have the upper hand on average.

	Example: A battle between two Scout and a Cruiser, neither having any technology can be analyzed as:		Example: A battle between two Scout and a Cruiser, neither having any technology can be analyzed as:
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	Example 2: Blue has 3 Destroyers with Defense 1. Red has 6 Scouts with Attack 1, Defense 1.		Example 2: Blue has 3 Destroyers with Defense 1. Red has 6 Scouts with Attack 1, Defense 1.
	*Average Damage per ~~turn~~: Blue has 3 DDs hitting on 3 (4 - 1 Defense). 3 x 0.3 = 0.9 Hits. Red has 6 SCs hitting on 4s (3 + 1 Attack + 1 Fleet advantage - 1 Defense), dealing 6 x 0.4 = 2.4 hits.		*Average Damage per Turn: Blue has 3 DDs hitting on 3 (4 - 1 Defense). 3 x 0.3 = 0.9 Hits. Red has 6 SCs hitting on 4s (3 + 1 Attack + 1 Fleet advantage - 1 Defense), dealing 6 x 0.4 = 2.4 hits.
	*1st Round: Blue's DDs shoot first dealing 0.9 hits. Even if we round that up, they kill one SC. Red's SC deal 2.4 hits (or 2.0 if they lost a SC, or 1.6 if they lost 2), which kills two DDS.		*1st Round: Blue's DDs shoot first dealing 0.9 hits. Even if we round that up, they kill one SC. Red's SC deal 2.4 hits (or 2.0 if they lost a SC, or 1.6 if they lost 2), which kills two DDS.
	Red is expected to kill Blue's DDs faster than Blue can kill Red's SCs. Red can expect to win this battle while loosing 1-2 Scouts.		Red is expected to kill Blue's DDs faster than Blue can kill Red's SCs. Red can expect to win this battle while loosing 1-2 Scouts.

			Example 3: Blue has 1 Battleship, 1 Battlecruiser and 5 Cruisers with Attack 1, Defense 2, Tactics 1. Red has 7 Cruisers and 2 Scouts with Attack 2, Defense 2 and Tactics 2.
			* Blue's average Damage per Turn: If Blue shoots at the Scouts with the BB and BC he hits on 5 + 1 Attack - 1 Defense = 5, with the CAs 4 + 1 Attack - 1 Defense = 4. Or a total of 2 x 0.5 + 5 x 0.4 = 3.0 hits, which is enough to kill them in a single round. Against the Cruisers each attack hits on 2 lower number for 2 x 0.3 (BB+BC) + 0.5 x 0.2 (CAs) = 1.6 hits per turn.
			* Red's average Damage per turn: Against Blue's the BC and CAs Red's CAs hit on 4 + 2 Attack - 3 Defense = 3s. Against the BB they hit on 2s. The Scouts hit on 3 + 1 -3 = 1s against all enemy ships (Always hit on 1 versus BBs). Red deals 7 x 0.3 + 2 x 0.2 = 2.3 hits against BC/CA and 7 x 0.2 + 2 x 0.1 = 1.6 against BB. Obviously Red will shoot at the BB last.
			* Round 1: There could be an argument whether Blue should shoot at the Scouts or the Cruisers. Cruisers need two hits to die, which removes 0.3 hits (or 1.5), while Scouts take one hit and remove 0.1. Let's assume that the Scouts are not even there and shoot at the Cuisers.
			** Blue's BB and BC shoot at Red's CAs dealing 2 x 0.3 = 0.6 hits.
			** Red's CAs (higher tactics) shoot next at the BC dealing 7 x 0.3 = 2.1 hits killing it.
			** Blue's CAs shoot at Red's CAs dealing 5 x 0.2 = 1 hit, for a total of 1.6 hits.
			** Red's Scouts shoot at Blue's CAs dealing 0.1 x 2 = 0.2 hits.
			* On average Red deals more damage, while having roughly equal total hit points. On average Red should win this battle. This battle was fought on table 257774002, where the 7 CAs + 2 SC won after loosing both Scouts and a CA for a BC and 2 CAs.

	==Ship Types==		==Ship Types==

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	Example: A Red Scout is attacking a Blue Scout. Neither has any technology.		Example: A Red Scout is attacking a Blue Scout. Neither has any technology.
	The Blue Scout shoots first. He has 3 attack and the Red Scout has 0 defense. So the Blue Scout has 3/10 chance of destroying the other on the first shot.		The Blue Scout shoots first. He has 3 attack and the Red Scout has 0 defense. So the Blue Scout has 3/10 chance of destroying the other on the first shot.
	If the Blue Scout missed 6/10, the Red Scout can hit on 3/10. The chance of this happening is 7/10 (Blue missed) * 3/10 (Red Hits) = 21/100.		If the Blue Scout missed (7/10 chance), the Red Scout can hit on 3/10. The chance of this happening is 7/10 (Blue missed) * 3/10 (Red Hits) = 21/100.
	The chance of neither hitting in the first round is 1 - the chances of any scout hitting, or (100 - 21 - 30)/100 = 49/100 = 49%.		The chance of neither hitting in the first round is 1 minus the chances of any scout hitting, or 1 - 3/10 - 21/100 = (100 - 21 - 30)/100 = 49/100 = 49%.
	Then in case neither hit The Blue Scout has 3/10 out of the 52% and the Red has 18/100 out of it and so on.		Then in case neither hit The Blue Scout has 3/10 out of the 52% and the Red has 18/100 out of it and so on.
	So the overall chance of someone hitting on a round would be 30 + 21 = 51.		So the overall chance of someone hitting on a round would be 30 + 21 = 51.
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	Clearly the Cruiser is supposed to be able to narrowly win this fight. Note that this analysis is only for the average results. Actual combat may go either way. The point is to be able to determine who has the advantage and if you should fight on or run. Normally you only need to calculate the average damage of each side and how fast each side is expected to lose ships to determine who has an advantage.		Clearly the Cruiser is supposed to be able to narrowly win this fight. Note that this analysis is only for the average results. Actual combat may go either way. The point is to be able to determine who has the advantage and if you should fight on or run. Normally you only need to calculate the average damage of each side and how fast each side is expected to lose ships to determine who has an advantage.

			Example 2: Blue has 3 Destroyers with Defense 1. Red has 6 Scouts with Attack 1, Defense 1.
			*Average Damage per turn: Blue has 3 DDs hitting on 3 (4 - 1 Defense). 3 x 0.3 = 0.9 Hits. Red has 6 SCs hitting on 4s (3 + 1 Attack + 1 Fleet advantage - 1 Defense), dealing 6 x 0.4 = 2.4 hits.
			*1st Round: Blue's DDs shoot first dealing 0.9 hits. Even if we round that up, they kill one SC. Red's SC deal 2.4 hits (or 2.0 if they lost a SC, or 1.6 if they lost 2), which kills two DDS.
			Red is expected to kill Blue's DDs faster than Blue can kill Red's SCs. Red can expect to win this battle while loosing 1-2 Scouts.

	==Ship Types==		==Ship Types==

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	When deciding when to retreat, keep an eye on your fleet size bonus (for fleets of small ships) and your accumulated damage (for fleets of large ships). If enough of your small ships have died that you are no longer collecting a fleet size bonus (you no longer have 2:1 superiority), then the battle will likely only get worse for you from now on, so you might want to leave. Conversely, if one of your x3 Battleships has already taken 2 hits, you might want to retreat that ship and continue fighting with your undamaged ships. This temporarily weakens your fleet, but it keeps you from losing a valuable resource.		When deciding when to retreat, keep an eye on your fleet size bonus (for fleets of small ships) and your accumulated damage (for fleets of large ships). If enough of your small ships have died that you are no longer collecting a fleet size bonus (you no longer have 2:1 superiority), then the battle will likely only get worse for you from now on, so you might want to leave. Conversely, if one of your x3 Battleships has already taken 2 hits, you might want to retreat that ship and continue fighting with your undamaged ships. This temporarily weakens your fleet, but it keeps you from losing a valuable resource.

	Keep in mind that ships can retreat in unexpected directions as long as they do not move further away from any of their owners' colonies. ~~If your opponent only has~~ colonies ~~in one region~~ of ~~the map, then their ships~~ may be able to retreat "~~sideways~~" ~~along~~ the ~~imaginary border of their empire in a direction that actually takes their ships closer to your homeworld~~. Novas and any player unit (including colonies) block retreat for ~~enemies~~. You can use Decoys and civilian ships to block retreat paths and even completely ~~"surround" a weaker~~ enemy ~~fleet~~.		Keep in mind that ships can retreat in unexpected directions as long as they do not move further away from any of their owners' colonies. Note that "any" means that all of a player's colonies can be used to determine the path of retreat. You may be able to retreat "forward" into enemy space, depending on where the battle is taking place. Novas and any player unit (including colonies) block retreat for enemy ships. You can use Decoys and civilian ships to block retreat paths and even completely block retreat path for the enemy.

	====Determining odds====		====Determining odds====

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	==Ship Types==		==Ship Types==
	These are the ships you are able to build during a game, if you have the technology to do so:		These are the ships you are able to build during a game, if you have the ship technology to do so:
	===Standard ships===		===Standard ships===
	*SY: Ship Yards (4 tokens per player)		*SY: Ship Yards (4 tokens per player)
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	Bigger is not always better.		Bigger is not always better.
	*Size 1 (SC, DD) can be destroyed with a lucky shot, which reduces their survaibility. However they are cheap and with some technology can be effective raiders or be used to gather intel. Or increase the number of shots hits in a mixed fleet, remember that 1 is always an impact.		*Size 1 (SC, DD) can be destroyed with a lucky shot, which reduces their survaibility. However they are cheap and with some technology can be effective raiders or be used to gather intel. Or increase the number of shots hits in a mixed fleet, remember that 1 is always an impact.
	*Size 2 (CA, BC) is usually a good middle point, because they can be removed from the front line (screened) or retire when the odds are against them. In a normal game you will likely produce many of these ships.		*Size 2 (CA, BC) is usually a good middle point, because they can be removed from the front line when damaged (screened) or retire when the odds are against them. In a normal game you will likely produce many of these ships.
	*Size 3 (BB, DN) are heavy armored ships that need 3 hits to be destroyed. Even with the big numbers thay have, they still fire only once per round, which reduces heavily their effectivity in combat, if not supported by a fleet with lesser ships. They also have an extra oportunity cost in the flexibilty of smaller ships, as they can be in more places. If this is not enough to discourage you to overinvest on technological terrros, they are vulnerable to fleets of lucky small ships hitting on 1.		*Size 3 (BB, DN) are heavy armored ships that need 3 hits to be destroyed. Even with the big numbers thay have, they still fire only once per round, which reduces heavily their effectivity in combat, if not supported by a fleet with lesser ships. They also have an extra oportunity cost in the flexibilty of smaller ships, as they can be in more places. If this is not enough to discourage you to overinvest on these technological terrros, they are vulnerable to fleets with some lucky small ships hitting on 1.
			*Bases: They also shot once per round but the improvement of technology and lack of movement usually obsoletes them by late middle game. It's more important on defense, specially on places where your enemies need to go through.

	Regarding advance ships, you need to think of them as the unexpected. Once in play they are usually easy to counter (CV&F vs SC, R vs DD) but counter them requires time and some technological investment which can provide some turns to hit the killing blow.		Usually the best fleet is a mix of different types of ships covering their weaknesses.

			Regarding advance ships, you need to think of them as the unexpected. Once in play they are usually easy to counter (CV&F vs SC, R vs DD) but counter them requires time and some technological investment and new ships which can provide some extra surprise turns to hit the killing blow.

	==All exploration tokens in the game==		==All exploration tokens in the game==

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	Keep in mind that ships can retreat in unexpected directions as long as they do not move further away from any of their owners' colonies. Note that "any" means that all of a player's colonies can be used to determine the path of retreat. You may be able to retreat "forward" into enemy space, depending on where the battle is taking place. Novas and any player unit (including colonies) block retreat for enemy ships. You can use Decoys and civilian ships to block retreat paths and even completely block retreat path for the enemy.		Keep in mind that ships can retreat in unexpected directions as long as they do not move further away from any of their owners' colonies. Note that "any" means that all of a player's colonies can be used to determine the path of retreat. You may be able to retreat "forward" into enemy space, depending on where the battle is taking place. Novas and any player unit (including colonies) block retreat for enemy ships. You can use Decoys and civilian ships to block retreat paths and even completely block retreat path for the enemy.

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	In a small fight between 2 ships you can determine the odds fairly straight forward.		In a small fight between 2 ships you can determine the odds fairly straight forward.
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	==== Examples ====		==== Examples ====
	'''~~Example~~:''' A battle between two Scout and a Cruiser, neither having any technology can be analyzed as:		'''Example1:''' A battle between two Scout and a Cruiser, neither having any technology can be analyzed as:
	*1st Round: Cruiser deals 0.4 hits, Scouts deal 0.6 hits (2 shots hitting on 3s, since the Cruiser has 1 Defense, but Scouts have fleet advantage)		*1st Round: Cruiser deals 0.4 hits, Scouts deal 0.6 hits (2 shots hitting on 3s, since the Cruiser has 1 Defense, but Scouts have fleet advantage)
	*2nd Round: Cruiser deals 0.4 hits (total 0.8), Scouts deal 0.6 hits (total 1.2) damaging the Cruiser and leaving 0.2 for next round.		*2nd Round: Cruiser deals 0.4 hits (total 0.8), Scouts deal 0.6 hits (total 1.2) damaging the Cruiser and leaving 0.2 for next round.
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	'''Example 2:''' Blue has 3 Destroyers with Defense 1. Red has 6 Scouts with Attack 1, Defense 1.		'''Example 2:''' Blue has 3 Destroyers with Defense 1. Red has 6 Scouts with Attack 1, Defense 1.
	*Average Damage per Turn: Blue has 3 DDs hitting on 3 (4 - 1 Defense). 3 x 0.3 = 0.9 Hits. Red has 6 SCs hitting on 4s (3 + 1 Attack + 1 Fleet advantage - 1 Defense), dealing 6 x 0.4 = 2.4 hits.		*Average Damage per Turn: Blue has 3 DDs hitting on 3 (4 - 1 Defense). 3 x 0.3 = 0.9 Hits. Red has 6 SCs hitting on 4s (3 + 1 Attack + 1 Fleet advantage - 1 Defense), dealing 6 x 0.4 = 2.4 hits.
	*1st Round: Blue's DDs shoot first dealing 0.9 hits. Even if we round that up, they kill one SC. Red's SC deal 2.4 hits (or 2.0 if they lost a SC, or 1.6 if they lost 2), which kills two ~~DDS~~.		*1st Round: Blue's DDs shoot first dealing 0.9 hits. Even if we round that up, they kill one SC. Red's SC deal 2.4 hits (or 2.0 if they lost a SC, or 1.6 if they lost 2), which kills two DDs.
	Red is expected to kill Blue's DDs faster than Blue can kill Red's SCs. Red can expect to win this battle while loosing 1-2 Scouts.		Red is expected to kill Blue's DDs faster than Blue can kill Red's SCs. Red can expect to win this battle while loosing 1-2 Scouts.

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	** Blue's CAs shoot at Red's CAs dealing 5 x 0.2 = 1 hit, for a total of 1.6 hits.		** Blue's CAs shoot at Red's CAs dealing 5 x 0.2 = 1 hit, for a total of 1.6 hits.
	** Red's Scouts shoot at Blue's CAs dealing 0.1 x 2 = 0.2 hits.		** Red's Scouts shoot at Blue's CAs dealing 0.1 x 2 = 0.2 hits.
	* On average Red deals more damage, while having roughly equal total hit points. On average Red should win this battle. This battle was fought on table 257774002, where the 7 CAs + 2 SC won ~~after loosing~~ both Scouts and a CA ~~for~~ a BC and 2 CAs.		* On average Red deals more damage, while having roughly equal total hit points. On average Red should win this battle. This battle was fought on table 257774002, where the 7 CAs + 2 SC won. Blue lost both Scouts and a CA, while Red lost a BC and 2 CAs before retreating.

	==Ship Types==		==Ship Types==

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	Keep in mind that ships can retreat in unexpected directions as long as they do not move further away from any of their owners' colonies. Note that "any" means that all of a player's colonies can be used to determine the path of retreat. You may be able to retreat "forward" into enemy space, depending on where the battle is taking place. Novas and any player unit (including colonies) block retreat for enemy ships. You can use Decoys and civilian ships to block retreat paths and even completely block retreat path for the enemy.		Keep in mind that ships can retreat in unexpected directions as long as they do not move further away from any of their owners' colonies. Note that "any" means that all of a player's colonies can be used to determine the path of retreat. You may be able to retreat "forward" into enemy space, depending on where the battle is taking place. Novas and any player unit (including colonies) block retreat for enemy ships. You can use Decoys and civilian ships to block retreat paths and even completely block retreat path for the enemy.

	====Determining odds====		==Determining odds==

	In a small fight between 2 ships you can determine the odds fairly straight forward.		In a small fight between 2 ships you can determine the odds fairly straight forward.
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	The average damage is the roll that a ship has to roll equal or below to hit a target. For example a Scout shooting on another Scout without any technology hits on 3s and has an average damage of 0.3. The average hits are taken into account to make a somewhat quick analysis of who would have the upper hand on average.		The average damage is the roll that a ship has to roll equal or below to hit a target. For example a Scout shooting on another Scout without any technology hits on 3s and has an average damage of 0.3. The average hits are taken into account to make a somewhat quick analysis of who would have the upper hand on average.

	Example: A battle between two Scout and a Cruiser, neither having any technology can be analyzed as:		==== Examples ====
			'''Example:''' A battle between two Scout and a Cruiser, neither having any technology can be analyzed as:
	*1st Round: Cruiser deals 0.4 hits, Scouts deal 0.6 hits (2 shots hitting on 3s, since the Cruiser has 1 Defense, but Scouts have fleet advantage)		*1st Round: Cruiser deals 0.4 hits, Scouts deal 0.6 hits (2 shots hitting on 3s, since the Cruiser has 1 Defense, but Scouts have fleet advantage)
	*2nd Round: Cruiser deals 0.4 hits (total 0.8), Scouts deal 0.6 hits (total 1.2) damaging the Cruiser and leaving 0.2 for next round.		*2nd Round: Cruiser deals 0.4 hits (total 0.8), Scouts deal 0.6 hits (total 1.2) damaging the Cruiser and leaving 0.2 for next round.
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	Clearly the Cruiser is supposed to be able to narrowly win this fight. Note that this analysis is only for the average results. Actual combat may go either way. The point is to be able to determine who has the advantage and if you should fight on or run. Normally you only need to calculate the average damage of each side and how fast each side is expected to lose ships to determine who has an advantage.		Clearly the Cruiser is supposed to be able to narrowly win this fight. Note that this analysis is only for the average results. Actual combat may go either way. The point is to be able to determine who has the advantage and if you should fight on or run. Normally you only need to calculate the average damage of each side and how fast each side is expected to lose ships to determine who has an advantage.

	Example 2: Blue has 3 Destroyers with Defense 1. Red has 6 Scouts with Attack 1, Defense 1.		'''Example 2:''' Blue has 3 Destroyers with Defense 1. Red has 6 Scouts with Attack 1, Defense 1.
	*Average Damage per Turn: Blue has 3 DDs hitting on 3 (4 - 1 Defense). 3 x 0.3 = 0.9 Hits. Red has 6 SCs hitting on 4s (3 + 1 Attack + 1 Fleet advantage - 1 Defense), dealing 6 x 0.4 = 2.4 hits.		*Average Damage per Turn: Blue has 3 DDs hitting on 3 (4 - 1 Defense). 3 x 0.3 = 0.9 Hits. Red has 6 SCs hitting on 4s (3 + 1 Attack + 1 Fleet advantage - 1 Defense), dealing 6 x 0.4 = 2.4 hits.
	*1st Round: Blue's DDs shoot first dealing 0.9 hits. Even if we round that up, they kill one SC. Red's SC deal 2.4 hits (or 2.0 if they lost a SC, or 1.6 if they lost 2), which kills two DDS.		*1st Round: Blue's DDs shoot first dealing 0.9 hits. Even if we round that up, they kill one SC. Red's SC deal 2.4 hits (or 2.0 if they lost a SC, or 1.6 if they lost 2), which kills two DDS.
	Red is expected to kill Blue's DDs faster than Blue can kill Red's SCs. Red can expect to win this battle while loosing 1-2 Scouts.		Red is expected to kill Blue's DDs faster than Blue can kill Red's SCs. Red can expect to win this battle while loosing 1-2 Scouts.

	Example 3: Blue has 1 Battleship, 1 Battlecruiser and 5 Cruisers with Attack 1, Defense 2, Tactics 1. Red has 7 Cruisers and 2 Scouts with Attack 2, Defense 2 and Tactics 2.		'''Example 3:''' Blue has 1 Battleship, 1 Battlecruiser and 5 Cruisers with Attack 1, Defense 2, Tactics 1. Red has 7 Cruisers and 2 Scouts with Attack 2, Defense 2 and Tactics 2.
	* Blue's average Damage per Turn: If Blue shoots at the Scouts with the BB and BC he hits on 5 + 1 Attack - 1 Defense = 5, with the CAs 4 + 1 Attack - 1 Defense = 4. Or a total of 2 x 0.5 + 5 x 0.4 = 3.0 hits, which is enough to kill them in a single round. Against the Cruisers each attack hits on 2 lower number for 2 x 0.3 (BB+BC) + 0.5 x 0.2 (CAs) = 1.6 hits per turn.		* Blue's average Damage per Turn: If Blue shoots at the Scouts with the BB and BC he hits on 5 + 1 Attack - 1 Defense = 5, with the CAs 4 + 1 Attack - 1 Defense = 4. Or a total of 2 x 0.5 + 5 x 0.4 = 3.0 hits, which is enough to kill them in a single round. Against the Cruisers each attack hits on 2 lower number for 2 x 0.3 (BB+BC) + 0.5 x 0.2 (CAs) = 1.6 hits per turn.
	* Red's average Damage per turn: Against Blue's the BC and CAs Red's CAs hit on 4 + 2 Attack - 3 Defense = 3s. Against the BB they hit on 2s. The Scouts hit on 3 + 1 -3 = 1s against all enemy ships (Always hit on 1 versus BBs). Red deals 7 x 0.3 + 2 x 0.2 = 2.3 hits against BC/CA and 7 x 0.2 + 2 x 0.1 = 1.6 against BB. Obviously Red will shoot at the BB last.		* Red's average Damage per turn: Against Blue's the BC and CAs Red's CAs hit on 4 + 2 Attack - 3 Defense = 3s. Against the BB they hit on 2s. The Scouts hit on 3 + 1 -3 = 1s against all enemy ships (Always hit on 1 versus BBs). Red deals 7 x 0.3 + 2 x 0.2 = 2.3 hits against BC/CA and 7 x 0.2 + 2 x 0.1 = 1.6 against BB. Obviously Red will shoot at the BB last.